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12:38pm Friday 18th January 2008

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By Oliver Phillips »

I WAS in Watford over Christmas and bumped into a former senior official at Vicarage Road - an ex-director who, as with many down the years, was out of pocket on the experience (something of a rarity these days).

He seemed pleased to see me and claimed my ears must have been burning recently. Apparently a group of mature fans were talking about the news on Watford FC as it appears in the Watford Observer.

They contended nowadays the lack of news and any real relationship between the two bodies "only serves to demonstrate what a good journalist Oliver Phillips was".

It was nice to hear but I felt a little uncomfortable.

More recently, a friend drew my attention to the Watford Observer website and some criticism directed at the current writers on the subject of Watford FC and reporting on rumours.

Apparently, the standards have dropped "since Oliver Phillips graced the pages".

All of which is very pleasant and well meant. Yes, I like to think I was a good journalist but the fact Watford and the Watford Observer do not have a good relationship is not a reflection on the journalists who followed me.

They may have approached certain issues from a different direction and may have opted not to go too hard on certain aspects in the early days after I left, but their intentions were good, being Watford fans by heritage who would have preferred to have maintained the coverage at the old levels - levels that were established more than 120 years ago.

They have been unable to do this, frustrated at every turn.

For years, certainly since 1928, representatives of this newspaper have talked exclusively to the manager after the match and then had at least one hour in a one-to-one with him during the week. I know that policy was applied inconsistently once I had left. Now the manager will not even give out his phone number.

Further, there was an increase in the tendency during my final years for the club to tell their minions to hold back certain stories before slipping them in on their website on a Thursday evening, after they knew the paper had gone to press.

So much for the family club One day a fuller reflection on this era in the history of Watford FC will perhaps provide a more revisionist view on the personalities, politics and progress, and I hope to be around to contribute my two-penneth.

Yet, I think the time has come to clear up any misconceptions.

To be frank, I would have had a hard time dealing with today's Watford FC and their attitudes.

I am quite sure that long before now I would have brought down the wrath of the extremely thin-skinned upon my head and been told about "the very personal criticism of our personnel and unsupportive and unfair comment in your writings", a phrase used last week when the club again refused to co-operate with this newspaper.

It is the latest in a succession of spats and frankly I cannot see much changing.

We only have to go back to the time when the Watford Observer was banned because we had the temerity to publish fans' criticism of the manner in which Watford sold the Elton John concert tickets.

Newspaper representatives were summoned to the club, were harangued and then ushered to a small room where they were left to contemplate their sins and given a few minutes in which to decide to meet the club's extravagant demands for an apology.

I doubt if the club officials, chairman Graham Simpson and chief executive Mark Ashton, would have treated officials of the club's sponsors, Loans.co.uk, or Watford Council in the same manner but it was indicative of the shape of things to come.

It appeared they aimed to control the press. With my departure imminent, the club's attitude was obvious - do as we say or we will withdraw co-operation.

This newspaper was banned from the ground - a particularly heavy-handed action consistent with what the chairman later admitted in private "was a case of me going right over the top".

Yet, two weeks later, Simpson apologised to the fans over the handling of the sale of those concert tickets. He admitted the club was wrong but, significantly, his apology did not stretch to include the Watford Observer.

As I wrote upon my retirement, it appeared to me the club was trying to bring the newspaper into line, seeking to make it an adjunct and organ of support, as I see it, reducing the paper to little more than an extension of the club programme and website.

Since then, they have been able to cast the newspaper in the role of party-poopers because the club has had success and, as that is what the supporters care about most, any criticism can be made to seem churlish.

There is a tendency when things are going well to think the club can do no wrong just as it can do no right when struggling, yet both attitudes are wide of the mark.

Watford have won promotion and have the strength to do so again enabling a further stint of "troughing it" in the Premiership.

These factors have helped the financial stability - they certainly haven't had a new share flotation for at least 22 months - and they have further boosted their coffers by the sale of Ashley Young, whose champion Chris Cummins battled to keep him at Watford when his two-year scholarship expired. Cummins should really be made an honorary vice-president of the club.

So, when everything in the garden appears lovely perhaps the club feels able to flex muscles and pursue goals.

Of course, people will argue times have changed and I am an old buffer who knows little nowadays, stuck in rural France.

In fact, I know much about the goings-on behind the scenes and receive regular tut-tutting and head-shaking from the very numerous and credible disaffected, but I will keep my powder dry for the moment.

This article is not a criticism of Watford FC but a defence of the maligned journalists who are dealing with a Soviet-style regime that brooks no criticism and any defectors are sent to a legal Siberia, most of them signing confidentiality agreements on their departure from the club. For instance, Watford's longest-ever serving player, Nigel Gibbs, was unable to comment upon leaving the club.

The apparent policy of silencing the critics even saw Watford close down their own website forum for fans and, at one stage, trying to change the spokesman for the Supporters Trust because he (Pete Fincham) was critical of some club decisions.

Yes, times have changed. There used to be a couple of local newspapers and a brace of radio stations following the Hornets. Readers would make their views known, providing their names and addresses. Now it is websites, mailing lists and a scramble for morsels of news on all things football.

Agents plant stories, fans write strident criticisms protected by the anonymity of nom de plumes. Add to this a plethora of club press releases, some of which make you dizzy upon reading because they contain so much spin - "The Daily Goebbels" as one Watford press officer described it.

On reflection, I believe the seeds of an attempt to diminish the newspaper's ability to influence supporters were sown back in the Luca Vialli days when I was portrayed as a negative figure in the clamour that greeted the Italian's appointment.

Yes, it is a different world and, in common with many of my generation, I am not sure it is a better one.

Of course, we had spats before but in my day we knew the cause. I cannot really comment on Aidy Boothroyd's hot and cold treatment of the Watford Observer and my former colleagues are in the dark, because Watford have not specified the reasons for this latest posturing.

However, imagine this newspaper refusing to feature Watford FC and their matches because the club treats our personnel appallingly. I think the charge of us being unprofessional would be extremely valid. That works both ways.

Returning to Boothroyd, as the manager matures and progresses through the football world, he will need to develop a far less sensitive skin.

I know a source told Kevin he was viewed within the club as "the enemy" and I find that a touch unreal. Kevin and Anthony Matthews will be at Vicarage Road, cheering on the Horns as they have done since childhood, long after Boothroyd and the West Bromwich Albion, Arsenal, Queens Park Rangers and Ipswich supporters in the media department have moved on.

No, it is not easy covering Watford now as even The Daily Telegraph's Tony Francis discovered when writing a weekly article on them. He actually referred to "paranoia".

For instance, take Anthony Matthews, whose ambition was to cover Watford FC but, after only one season following my departure, opted to concentrate on the sports editor role because he could not stand "the politics". At one time he told me: "They almost cause you to lose the will to live."

On one other point, my former colleagues have been criticised for printing rumours. Well, I collected every printed item of gossip and every website rumour every week and put it before the manager and let him comment. And I printed the results and no one complained.

Yet, some 15 months back, there were rumours and website claims about Marlon King not being injured.

It was everywhere that week. I even read about it in France. Kevin duly asked for a club comment and was refused, so he printed the rumour and discussed and dismissed it himself.

The next thing he knew, he was being pilloried in a pathetic club email for daring to set the record straight. At the same time, I read one ludicrous letter contending the paper should only print official club statements.

What price a free press then?

The Watford Observer has been, and I am sure will continue to try to be a paper of record, despite the absence of help from the club. Upon my departure, I was not succeeded by a succession of horned individuals with forked tails but decent, qualified journalists with a love of the club.

They are doing a difficult job in the most difficult circumstances ever experienced by local journalists trying to cover Watford FC. They have my full and total sympathy.

As for me, thanks for the kind remarks but I am glad I am out of it.

However, I am grateful in a way for the present situation for it has made me appreciate all the more what pleasant people I had to deal with over 40 years.

Compared with the current administrative regime, I think upon reflection Luca Vialli may have been a truly open, consistent and communicative individual.

Your Say YourWatford

aidy, watford says...
12:51pm Fri 18 Jan 08

I think they may have been referring to the fans wish list which was not pleasant readings for jordon stewart. Almost as if these site was lifted directly into the paper. The criticism was fair but probably not the place for it.

Des, Hatch End says...
12:54pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Thanks for the article.
The current demise of the Watford Way is upsetting and a reason I will not renew my ST.
The people in charge are happy to pocket the money and ignore the criticisms.
Thankfully you are right in that the fans will be here a lot longer than the communist regime.
I'll be back when the reds leave.

Steve, hemel hempstead says...
12:57pm Fri 18 Jan 08

dave you will be lambasted for writing what you have but I could not have said it better myself.

chris, the vic says...
12:59pm Fri 18 Jan 08

It is obvious that since Aidy's dream start and the restructuring of the finance that not all has been well at the club.

We have a 2010 dream of Aidys supported by the ambitious board with great plans has been pushed by Simpson and his cohorts...all great spin.

In reality three star players sold and a couple of moderates bought since promotion..we have sold the crown jewels that were not for sale.

Only since relegation did things not add up with regard to the monies...then the accounts were published and the awful truth of a club with a substantial overdraft emerged.

Once these and before that the January 2007 mayhem of signing heaven knows what...questions were asked and not answered other than by ...dont be so stupid attitude...The AGM told us a lot about the current regime when things became slightly cleare but not transparent.

The Watford Observer reported fairly but the clubs idea of fairness is to bully and create a marketing ploy that says buy our season tickets even though we were relegated because we are ambitious.

Trouble is the regimes ambition is to garner money for projects off pitch, their remuneration at a cost to the team. Marlon would not have gone if we had signed a better class of player...

In the final analysis we were encouraged to buy record numbers of season tickets on a false premise of a club that was going to go places on the pitch.. The Regimes spin of 2010 and our dream now lies in tatters and that is why they dislike the Observer and us because we have sussed it out....and as for outside investors would you put your money into our club under the present regime

David, SW says...
1:00pm Fri 18 Jan 08

AY-CARUMBA!

I'm sure War and Peace has less words.

Which is best? Watford Observer or Watford Football Club?
In the words of Harry Hill, "There's only one way to find out......FIGHT!!!!"





Mike, Oxhey says...
1:00pm Fri 18 Jan 08

This piece makes me sick to the stomach.
Not out of a dislike for Mr Phillips or the Watford Observer, no. But because the football club I follow to give me some kind of relief from the every day chores that appear in my life is seemingly run like a dictatorship of which everything I, as an individual, stand for is abused.

I'm disappointed favourite players leave for more money - but I can understand that.
I'm disappointed we don't play on the floor more - if we're successful I'll accept the direct style.
But I'm truly sickened by this 'DO AS WE SAY' mentality and the belief that the club cannot be criticised at any level and the temerity that anyone who does criticise is banished from the premises.

Sickened, truly sickened.

Rob, Herts says...
1:02pm Fri 18 Jan 08

As a supporter of 30+
years all i have to say is i have always had the greatest of respect for the WO newspaper and nothing has changed my mind over the years ,in fact i am very grateful to them for really keeping us fans in touch ,REAL FANS must read this article ,and as for our "board" of directors you may not like criticism , but i for one ESPECIALLY at this time in our history thank the newspaper for having the guts to challenge this board and in particular to Kevin Affleck a watford supporter by the way keep up the very good work !

Edless, Back bedroom says...
1:04pm Fri 18 Jan 08

The club website, like so many other clubs, is "part of the Official Football Sites network". One glance at the site, and it is obvious they make their money from advertising and charging for content.

I would posit that the more exclusives the website contains, the more visitors would visit the official site, hence making more money for the website.

If all the news was in the WA, then they'd lose out financially. As we all know, football is about the money now.

P, Brighton says...
1:27pm Fri 18 Jan 08

My season ticket will not be renewed. Boothroyd is a pathetic excuse of a man.

DAVE, HOLBORN says...
1:28pm Fri 18 Jan 08

agree with everything said. I hope the WO continue to challenge the club (when they are able to!)I've got total respect for Oliver Phillips, although I think he got a bit hung up over Vialli at the time,but there are so many questions to be asked about what is happening at the club.

Top 10 club by 2010 anyone?!

Wes, Watford says...
1:40pm Fri 18 Jan 08

I must remind fans that Oliver Phillips only supported the Watford regimes that he agreed with, i remember previous managers refusing the wo access to player interviews etc!!!

Affleck's journalism is biased, often off the mark and gives a neutral reader like myself the impression that he is trying to be controversial and undermind AB in all that he reports and writes.

Aidy is young, learning the game and I pray he does not read either the watford observer or fan forums. He is our 2nd most successful manager ever, he is still over achieving from where we could ever have expected to be when he took over.

Any promotion hopes will be lost if the 'fans' continue to doubt him and the players, if people boo collins john before he has a chance, how can we ever expect him to settle in and 'want to' play for watford?

PSG, says...
1:46pm Fri 18 Jan 08

I don't, for one second, deny that the club could be run better (what organisation couldn't) but I do think some of Affleck's criticism's of club personnel are so thinly veiled as to be laughable. It seems to me that there is a personal agenda there and, despite the problems he has had with access to interviews/news etc, he is a professional and should remain so. If the newspaper wants examples, how about the report earlier this week: "Holmes becomes the latest member of senior staff to resign since Mark Ashton joined the club as chief executive.

Others who have left include Ed Coan, Susan Graham, Steve Simmons, Chris Bailey, Richard Walker, Bob Walker, Tony Yorke, James McLaughlin, Glen Calverley and Nicki Hattingh."

Why not come out and say "I don't like Mark Ashton and I think he's to blame for these people going"? The reason is because, in reality, it is unlikely Ashton personally had anything to do with these people leaving. But if we're talking about spin/campaigning, I think both parties could have done better.

Harold, says...
2:12pm Fri 18 Jan 08

PSG - why do YOU think all these staff keep leaving Watford, and moreover, why in most cases does the club feel the need to make them sign a confidentiality agreement in return for a lump of cash?

It isn't to stop them from saying "Watford is a great place to work, I love the senior staff and it really pains me to be leaving."

chris, says...
2:15pm Fri 18 Jan 08

PSG - a decent post but frankly miles off the mark (pun not intended)

Watford is a small town and many of the clubs employees live locally. There have been rumours coming out from the club about Ashton's management style ever since he joined. I know several people who have left the club and privately commented about the club. As CEO he has the day to day responsibility of running the club, and people dont leave without his involvement.

I have never, ever seen so many people leave a company under compromise agreements, legally binding gagging orders. There has to be a hidden agenda over this. The idea that WFC is still a 'Family Club' is total nonsense.

Its being run by bullies and control freaks, and thank god the WO are prepared to stand up to them and expose the goings on in the club.

I've been to the Fans Forums and listened to all the spin, and I've been to the AGM.

I've supported WFC since the early seventies, and I've been reading the WO since the same time. I am really saddened that the club have gone down this route of conflict. I am also angry enough not to renew my season ticket next season if matters dont improve. Buying a copy of the WO each week is alot cheaper and better value than following WFC at the moment.

Tom, Watford says...
2:21pm Fri 18 Jan 08

thank god for the Watford Observer and Oliver Phillips, long may a free press continue.
As for Ashton, Boothroyd and Simpson, we will still be here loong after they have gone
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Rookery, says...
2:24pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Harold / Chris - agree with you totally.

Like you, I know people who have worked at the club over the past couple of years, and they have either left themselves with some awful stories of the place, or are still there but want to leave and have told me about former colleagues and what they went through.

As Harold says, why on earth would an employer keep insisting upon paying people to keep quiet unless they were very concerned about what they might say?

The CEO of an organisation would have to sanction any such compromise agreement, so for PSG to say he has no involvement is total folly.

Watford stopped being the family club yonks ago - would a fmaily club move families to sit next to away fans, as many families at Vicarage Road have had to do (and the view and seats are nowhere near nas good as those in the new directors box).

In fact, Watford as many, many people knew it is fast disappearing.

It took a hell of a lot of years to earn the good reputation Watford had, both inside and outside the game of football.

But it isn't taking anything like that length of time to destroy it.

KL, hemel says...
2:40pm Fri 18 Jan 08

As a sports journalist and Watford fan, I would just like to congratulate Kevin Affleck on refusing to be intimidated into following the club's official line. I've found his reports fair and he is not afraid to criticise when necessary. I notice in the preview on the official website for the Charlton game, MK's move seems to have been airbrushed out. I wonder how we'd feel if the WO did that?

Doogie, says...
2:47pm Fri 18 Jan 08

KL - I echo your comments entirely. Kevin has had to take terrible stick on this messageboards, and I am sure he has been given an equally torrid time by those running the club.

But if he and the WO gave in, then who would be club's arbitor?

As for King being out of the official club website preview, that's no surprise.

If we lose to Charlton, they'll probably try to blame it on the upheaveal he caused by leaving - or perhaps it'll be Kevin Affleck's fault!!

Pob, says...
2:50pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Don't worry Gav - the club are bringing out a paper soon.

Read all about it: Watford win the Premiership, no more war, world starving ended, free cash for all readers

Darren, Canada says...
2:54pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Well written article which just adds to further questions in what has been a tough week for your average true Waftord fan. It doesn't make for pleasant reading and I feel the OP has nothing to gain from this, just simply stating facts as he knows them. A sad day.
I genuinely believe the honeymoon at WFC is coming to an end - like any fan, I really hope I am wrong. I would love NE to turn his form around (I know he hasn't played that much) and I would like to see CJ come to the club and perform well, but the fact is we have lost a known striker and two possible replacements are out of form right now.

Simon, London says...
2:54pm Fri 18 Jan 08

I think there's clearly blame on both sides. For all I agree that the club has been decidedly thin skinned and unable to take on board any criticism, I also think that the style of reporting in the WO has had a somewhat antagonistic slant and is little more to be believed than the club's own missives.

I note that Ollie Phillips's articles have at no point appeared on the WO web-site until such time as he has written an article such as this and that it has been published at a time when the club is already under severe criticism.

The whole business strikes me as rather petty on both sides and those that ultimately suffer from this pettiness are we, the fans.

It is truly a sad state of affairs but both parties appear to have been active participants in digging their own graves.

pete, Guildford says...
3:01pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Some points to be made on both sides...but Kevin Affleck has destroyed most of his stories with Colin like additions or asides against Mr Boothroyd out of malice.(justified or not...)

Lou, says...
3:01pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Simon - I am guessing but I would think the reason this article from OP has been run on the website is that it is not his usual 'historic' piece, and because it also refers more than once to comments made on this site aimed at Kevin Affleck, Oli etc.

I think that is why they have put it here - to let those who made the comments and who may not see the printed edition have a chance to read it.

I do agree that both sides have made mistakes, but the paper has covered the club for more than 100-odd years, and the combined number of years that the relationship has been this bad is only a very small fraction of that.

When you consider the paper has managed to work with the club for a hundred or so years, the fact that for the entire three years of the current regime things have been as bad as they are suggests to me that club have to take the lino's share of the blame.

Snorebens, 'Ackney says...
3:03pm Fri 18 Jan 08

In contrast to 'gav'...
after more than 40 yrs buying WFC season tickets i no longer do.

The Oliver Philips MBE, Out there!! says...
3:04pm Fri 18 Jan 08

I am Mr Watford FC always have been always will be.... Why do long standing staff members keep leaving, well the sad fact is that perhaps they were no good in the first place! The club has drifted for years and at the very least people have to admit that under the current regime we have at last gained real ambition. Whether this ambition is to the personal gain of the directors or not is a non issue! Would people rather they ran the club selflessly and to the benefit of the local community from the lower reaches of the 1st division? As for those who moan about losing our talisman, you want shooting! Marlons no better or worse than any other player, morally or otherwise and for certain he'll be next weeks chip wrapper. Cast your mind back to the so called golden age where we were mugged over on a regular basis in the transfer market because we not savy enough! or the golden era where our best young talent was allowed to leave for nothing only to come back and haunt us...
Personally I'm delighted that the club is being run professionally at last we can only hope the WO may follow suit at some stage!


hertshorn, says...
3:05pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Don't buy newspapers, don't believe anything said by players, managers, chairmen. Just go to the games and enjoy them for what they are. This is meant to be sport and something to derive pleasure from. Hope we win tomorrow!

Doogie, says...
3:07pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Hairyhornet - I think you are very bad at your job.

I am, of course, in no position really to judge as I have never done your job.

However, simply by seeing the fruits of your labours once a week, I've come to that outspoken conclusion.

If you're going to throw around accusations, let's all have a go......

colin, st albans says...
3:20pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Your guesses please as to the crowds reaction when the first Charlton goal goes in tomorrow

Doogie, says...
3:23pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Hariyhornet - I'll say one thing for you, if your company pays you a bonus for name-calling, it's no wonder you've got all that cash.

Boast away my friend. I'm sure you are brilliant at your job, earn squillions and are totally indispensible.

If you have evidence that KA is a "very bad journo" that could not be contended then that's great.

So let's see it.

Angray Man, Rookery Front Row says...
3:27pm Fri 18 Jan 08

"Why do long standing staff members keep leaving, well the sad fact is that perhaps they were no good in the first place!" - well its was Ashton and Simpson who brought in Stow and Burkenshaw...

Hrts horn: if you currently go the sh*te served up at Vicarage Road and enjoy it, you must lead a very sad and lonely life.

Jonathan, Borehamwood says...
3:28pm Fri 18 Jan 08

I had to laugh when I read "This article is not a criticism of Watford FC".

Gumbo, watford says...
3:28pm Fri 18 Jan 08

I have to say the critisim of Kev Affleck is very dissappointing. All he is trying to do is keep the fans, you and me, informed of what is happening at our club. As I know Kev personally I have to say that the way he is treated by WFC is pathetic. Telling him what he can and cany write, threating him if he writes the wrong thing! We want to know the truth and Kev tries to gives us that. WFC lie about everything, they want us to think everything in perfect while they rake in the cash. What other job do you fail in your buisness expectations then recieve a £500k bonus? Most other peolpe will get the sack! I found out several weeks ago that Thursday was the day Marlon was having a medical. Handy to have inside knowledge. If you watch the DVD of the fans forum the year we went up, Ashton says he wants to run the club as a buisness - FAIL
Boothroyd wants to think big and sign players that want to play for WFC - FAIL
Simpson will support the manager and club as much as possible - FAIL
Much like a school report really.
On a final note AB said he reports to the chairman but the club is responsible to the fans as it is our club. In that case they should invite some of us to explain their actions. Or can I smell BullS*it

john, greece says...
3:33pm Fri 18 Jan 08

watching watford used to be for many many years the most important part of my life. The whole game is just money money money now. It was so refreshing to see Havant win and get a day out at Anfield.
Me I get more excited now watching my sons play football where it is all about the sport. The sheer agony and ecstacy of winning and losing.
Too much football on tv has led us all to be experts and to crave the style of man u and arsenal.
Personally it seems more than a coincidence the politics have increased immesurably since the arrival of our Tory investor.

Gumbo, Watford says...
3:40pm Fri 18 Jan 08

All WFC fans please dig out and watch the fans forum on the promotion winning season.
Mr Ashton, if you intend to run WFC as a buisness I suggest you need to look into what makes a buisness successful.
1/A product the public want i.e. a good football team
2/A product the customer want to buy i.e. a season ticket and merchandise
3/Make a profit i.e. buy players who improve the product increase revenue and experiance
4/Invest money into the product so it evolves with the times and doesnt get out dated
5/Make the product affordable i.e. dont cream off all the profits for your own benefit
6/Be effective with costs i.e. dont waste money on players uneccessary buidling work, anything that doesnt add value to your product.
If you are the buisness man you claim to be you wouldnt have made fundimental errors in buisness.
If your not up to the tasks I suggest we do a cost cutting exercise and remove you from your position.

Steve, 164-783 says...
3:40pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Gumbo,
I totally echo your throughly well written posting.

KA has only reported the truth and has kept the fans informed of the coming and goings of the club and has done so with his dignity in tact.

His reporting in this weeks WO is first class and an excellent piece of journalism.

he too has only spoken the truth.

Lies-Hoofers told us he only wnated players who wanted to play for Watford , now we have signed Collins John.

The club is in turmoil and 3 people are too blame

Hoofers for his tactics , his spin and his transfer targets

Simpson and Ashton too sanction those signings and failing to deliver on their mission statements.

I no longer want those 3 spin doctors associated with the club.

Go now, thanks for all your efforts but we now want our club back.

P.S Please Hoofers offered Macca a big new contract last year, again an example of his lack of ability to judge a player and I have just read on the Web he reckons Francis has been playing well of late......Aidy you should have gone to specsavers!!!!!!!!!

Steve, hemel hempstead says...
3:48pm Fri 18 Jan 08

I see we have just signed Callum Davenport, given Hoofers record in the transfer market we have probably signed Lindsey Davenport

Gumbo, Watford says...
3:52pm Fri 18 Jan 08

What is wrong with AB. He has previously tried to sign CJ from Fulham and Calum Davenport. He keeps going for the same players? KA says AB is very single minded and it seems he has to prove a point that if he wants a player he will get him at any cost. Just a shame he doesnt target a good player such as Jason Koumas or Rob Earnshaw or we might have a good team. Got a call from a Fulham season ticket holder this morning thanking us for taking CJ off their hands. His words included lazy, irritable, average. I thought he was talking about Francis.

chris, the vic says...
3:57pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Can we take a time out.

Those who read these threads know that in the last few months I have been very vocal in my criticism of both Simpson and Ashton and only slightly less so with regard to Aidy.

HOWEVER during the game whether Charlton score or whatever we must BACK the lads. Whether CJ or NE or JS play or all three we must be 100% behind them...what happens off the pitch with the management is one thing but it is decidedly not the players fault.

Yes occasionally a player is distracted from giving of his best and sometimes that attitude lingers due to contract difficulties or transfer talk...but like us the players are only human and have to put themselves and their families first...but in general terms they have not misled and more often than not give of their best...So please if you feel strongly about GS or whoever let them know about it at half time or full time but get behind the lads during the game when they need us. Because many of us feel we cant rely on the management we get upset but the players have to go out and perform to the best of their ability despite like us maybe feeling they have been sold short so please please get behind them.

WFC will be around long after Boofers and Simpson but those lads have a limited number of years and like last year in the premier they need our support...just keep Aidys name out of the chants and if you see the board let them know how we feel.

Norm, says...
3:57pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Davenport might be a decent player, but he's not played a competitve game for 10 months.

He'll need the month with us just to get used to it again.

What I find amazing is that the reason (apparently) we haven't played Ellington regularly is that he wasn't fully fit and needed time to get back into shape.

Yet we're taking this bloke on loan, presumably because we intend to play him, yet his last first-team match was on March 4, 2007.

Steve, hemel hempstead says...
4:02pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Norm,

Great point, just shows how incompetent Hoofers really is.

But remember happy clappers he has a back up plan, Marricrappa or jackson, can't wait my mouth is drooling

wes, watford says...
4:04pm Fri 18 Jan 08

i see that the watford observer website is yet to congratulate boothroyd, or as of yet even mention the positive loan signing of davenport!

Norm, says...
4:06pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Wes - congratulate Boothroyd? For what? Doing his job?

Actually, you're right - let's all give a big round of applause to the manager for doing what he is paid handsomely to do.

Shame on the Watford Observer for not starting that applause.

Gumbo, Watford says...
4:07pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Chris, I agree with you that its not the players fault, well not entirely, what should CJ expect, rejcts us then 12 months later we are good enough! But that is AB fault, remember he said he wanted players who wanted to be here. The problem is how do we get our message across to the board! If we still attend and support and spend money they are getting what they want but if we dont the team and us suffer. We need to do one of the following and I would like all fans to choose -
1/ The first 2 minutes against Charlton all WFC fans turn their backs on the game, showing banners to the board of our thoughts of disapproval.
2/ We dont cheer the first WFC goal to show our discontent.
3/ Support the team away from home as you would at home and not attend home games. The club dont make revenue from away games. This third one is most harsh but by denting the pockets of Simpson etc. it is the only way of making them take note.
Or maybe their is another way? Any ideas?

Gumbo, Watford says...
4:18pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Just seen on the WFC website the picture of King,Hendo,Boothroyd had been replaced by Barnes, Luther etc. Hendo going next???

Wes, watford says...
4:28pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Norm, id congratulate boothroyd for taking over a club going nowhere, taking us up into the premiership at the 1st time of asking and leading us to 3rd in the Championship at present!

There are many mindless clones who read this site who have been brainwashed by this website/paper! What do they want to achieve ... boothroyd out? the only way he will leave is to a bigger better and more supportive club than us!!!

I for one see the watford observer as the parasite here, and i ll love to see there reaction when boothroyd takes us up again!

Steve, hemel hempstead says...
4:28pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Gumbo , you are missing a point.

Hoofers heard on the grape vine that he could get Barnes and Blissett on a free , so he has made an approach, offered them a shed load of money and a 5 year contract.

They have jumped at the chance but hoofers has warned them he will loan them out or let them rot in the reserves in less than 6 months time

Gumbo, Watford says...
4:40pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Wes.
Firstly AB is doing what he gets paid to do. But yes he has done well so far. I think the main problem is the lies, in house rangles and his bloody mindedness not to involve the fans. Didnt GT openly make the community aware of what the club was doing? The paper should be used for the clubs advantage but it is not. E.g. one paticulary game we lost at home to Swindon 1-0 he came out after the game saying he changed the formation and the players did as he asked. He did that so he should take the blame not the players. Guess what, fans said fair play we forgive you. Honesty and respect is what made GT great. AB should get him back has a advisor not speak to Bassett.

Norm, says...
4:41pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Wes - will you also be congratulating Graham for his achievements? What about Ken Furphy? And good old Harry Kent?

My point?

His greatest achievements happened nearly two seasons ago.

Since then, we've been decidedly ordinary at best, except for a magical couple of months earlier this season (which Adam Johnson inspired).

Most recently, we've been dire.

And believe me, I don't need a newspaper or a website to tell me that.

Of course, the Watford Observer is the parasite here - they printed the words of the CEO and manager that said King wasn't going, and then they sold the player when the club weren't looking.

wonderlander, watford says...
4:45pm Fri 18 Jan 08

Wes wrote:
Norm, id congratulate boothroyd for taking over a club going nowhere, taking us up into the premiership at the 1st time of asking and leading us to 3rd in the Championship at present!

There are many mindless clones who read this site who have been brainwashed by this website/paper! What do they want to achieve ... boothroyd out? the only way he will leave is to a bigger better and more supportive club than us!!!

I for one see the watford observer as the parasite here, and i ll love to see there reaction when boothroyd takes us up again!
I just want to see some decent football, or at least some attempt to play decent football, some creativity and flair, and some honesty from the manager, CEO and Board. Sadly, we see none of that. Adam Johnson (correct spelling?) was well worth the price of my season ticket and where would we be now without the benefit of him earlier in the season. I, for one, would not be unhappy if Boothroyd left for a bigger club (pity he wasn't offered the England job - I am sure that he feels he was up to it)and if we could somehow (and it is more difficult theses days)return to the principles and honesty that made Watford special. I have been a regular supporter for 30 years and this year has been a real low. The rot started when the Board totally undermined Ray Lewington, started to censor the WO, and failed to meet its promises to Elton on the use of money raised at his concert.The turnover of experienced staff is appalling, and there is an unacceptable stench permeating through Vicarage Road. I shall probably be banned now for being critical.

Angry Man, 'ackney says...
4:56pm Fri 18 Jan 08

"i ll love to see there reaction when boothroyd takes us up again!"

I saved this for prosperity