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Smith looking upwards
9:32am Monday 21st April 2008
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By Simon Mail »
Tommy Smith says the team will remain positive despite the damaging defeat to Crystal Palace on the weekend.
The Hornets' automatic promotion hopes were ended after their third defeat in five games but Smith insists they can still lift themselves for the play-offs.
He said: "We are looking up not down and remaining positive. I'm a bit speechless because we felt as if we were in control and it is a bitter pill to swallow.
"Palace came here to sit back and they rode their luck but finished strongly."
But the talented winger refused to make excuses for the side's poor form and says they will not go down that route.
"We won't use excuses," Smith said. "We have been leaking goals and not scoring from our chances."
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Metal Mickey, Iver Bucks says...
12:28pm Mon 21 Apr 08
We have let ourselves down by notting holding players to the lucrative contracts that they happily signed. We are solid at the back (however why does Shittu fall over everytime he kicks the ball?) Plenty of midfield options but gutless up front. King should have been forced to stay, he has a lot to answer to as does the board for selling him.
Lifer, says...
12:30pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Scott--I agree completely--selling HB & MK is acceptable ONLY if you have adequate replacements & we did not.
The evidence (to my mind) is clear that aidy has lost the plot and the belief of the players.
I would bring JDM in for Danny and Kabba for TP.
I would also only have 1 defender on benmch--LA is a better wide option than JS ( who is doing ok @ l back )
For me the team needs to be LEE-LD/JDM/LB/JS---J
E & JJ ( but JE needs to get better than his last 2 games) & TS-SK-DH-JM
subs. Poom/DS/LW/LA/TP
The evidence (to my mind) is clear that aidy has lost the plot and the belief of the players.
I would bring JDM in for Danny and Kabba for TP.
I would also only have 1 defender on benmch--LA is a better wide option than JS ( who is doing ok @ l back )
For me the team needs to be LEE-LD/JDM/LB/JS---J
E & JJ ( but JE needs to get better than his last 2 games) & TS-SK-DH-JM
subs. Poom/DS/LW/LA/TP
mk horn, mk says...
12:31pm Mon 21 Apr 08
I agree Scot, but think it will be a struggle in the play offs as we do not look good against top six sides. I was hopeing we good fudge our way into the top two with all about us losing their heads but alas no.
Lifer, says...
12:35pm Mon 21 Apr 08
MM solid at back? really? last clean sheet was Stoke!
DS switches off but biggest issue in NO--NONE!!! movement so man on the ball has ltd options. We are static & totally predictable,at least SK makes runs & will help to create space rather than Timid Tamas or Nointeresst Nathan.
DS switches off but biggest issue in NO--NONE!!! movement so man on the ball has ltd options. We are static & totally predictable,at least SK makes runs & will help to create space rather than Timid Tamas or Nointeresst Nathan.
chris, hemel says...
12:58pm Mon 21 Apr 08
IMHO we need to give TS a roving role in the hole behind DH, with JMcN and Ainsworth providing pace and width. Play Williamson and Eustace as the holding midfield, and a back four of Bronby, Shittu, JDM, and Slater. Lee in goal.
Agreed that we need to have a clearout before next season.
Take your pick from Priskin, Ellington, Kabba, Francis, Jackson, Stewart(who's going thank god), Poom, Colins John, Bangura, Rinaldi, et all.
Agreed that we need to have a clearout before next season.
Take your pick from Priskin, Ellington, Kabba, Francis, Jackson, Stewart(who's going thank god), Poom, Colins John, Bangura, Rinaldi, et all.
Berks Horn, London says...
12:59pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Scott, I agree 100%. And therein perhaps lies the problem. All but maybe 3 or 4 of the current side must be thinking, subconsciously at least, that if we get promoted via the playoffs they will at best be languishing in the reserves next season or at worst looking for/moving to a new club as we'd have to buy a lot of new players to even stand a chance of not "doing a Derby". If you buy quality players in January who can play in the Premiership then that sort of thinking doesn't come into play. Unfortunately we didn't do that.
shrodells47, Letchworth says...
1:24pm Mon 21 Apr 08
In business if you have incompetent employees, they are either retained or aloowed to leave. Why is football different? Surely the lametable display from JS, TP and JO'T on Saturday should mean that they were pulled of to an early bath and not play again until their skill or playmaking warrants. As a customer I am appauled.
Ps. Howard Webb the ref. was a tonic. If only the others were anywhere near as professional as he was. Ego only Rob Styles please note.
Ps. Howard Webb the ref. was a tonic. If only the others were anywhere near as professional as he was. Ego only Rob Styles please note.
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Lifer, says...
1:41pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Shrodells--Js was ( with LD) better than most saturday & O`Toole was abandoned by a poor display by Eustace. I agree re TP but strongly disagree re others.
barry, watford says...
1:59pm Mon 21 Apr 08
We have shown that we have no strength in depth when it comes to fringe players. Also it seems very obvious that Burkinshaw was the source of good tactics in the first half of the season. I'm glad that Smith can accept excuses won't do any good, too often we hear silly excuses and comments that shy away from giving a proper answer from players and managers alike.
The thing that always bugs me is the people that leave early when their team goes 2-0 down. If they leave its their choice and I understand it is a demonstration of frustration to the players and staff, but it still gets to me - each to their own though!
I'm not sure promotion to the premier league will do us any good at the moment while we are in this poor run of form. We need to get promoted while we are winning regularly.
Also, ~£3.5m for Ellington now looks like a shocking waste of money!
The thing that always bugs me is the people that leave early when their team goes 2-0 down. If they leave its their choice and I understand it is a demonstration of frustration to the players and staff, but it still gets to me - each to their own though!
I'm not sure promotion to the premier league will do us any good at the moment while we are in this poor run of form. We need to get promoted while we are winning regularly.
Also, ~£3.5m for Ellington now looks like a shocking waste of money!
Richard, Come On You Golden Boys! says...
2:12pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Tommy Smith - Player of the Season without the need to count the votes and one of those we want to keep whatever division we are in next year.
I believe there are a mixture of reasons why we are playing so badly.
1. Loss of confidence - in themselves, the team and the manager.
2. Realisation that many are not good enough for the Championship let alone the Prem.
3. Lack of Team Spirit & Belief when things go wrong.
4. Poor Leadership & Confused Thinking on and off the Pitch.
5. Not enough quality.
None of the above apply to Tommy Smith who has worked his socks off all season long.
Watching Ashley Young destroy Brum almost single-handedly yesterday reminded we what we were like in Aidy's first season; we were a team with, flair, pace, purpose, passion and bags of confidence bordering on arrogance, oh yes and goals!
Ashley & Co are not coming back but we need to get some of these qualities asap.
Starting with Aidy making a few tough decisions by only picking those who want to play, those who believe in themselves (& him) and give them a chance to show what they can do (in their best positions, it was bad enough watching Stewart playing left wing but on the right, complete madness!
Also stop delaying subs until it's too late other than to give them appearance money!
Be positive and we can beat Scunthorpe and then start preparing for the playoffs, when anything could happen.
Come on Aidy & You Golden Boys. It's time to rediscover & then keep the Faith!
I believe there are a mixture of reasons why we are playing so badly.
1. Loss of confidence - in themselves, the team and the manager.
2. Realisation that many are not good enough for the Championship let alone the Prem.
3. Lack of Team Spirit & Belief when things go wrong.
4. Poor Leadership & Confused Thinking on and off the Pitch.
5. Not enough quality.
None of the above apply to Tommy Smith who has worked his socks off all season long.
Watching Ashley Young destroy Brum almost single-handedly yesterday reminded we what we were like in Aidy's first season; we were a team with, flair, pace, purpose, passion and bags of confidence bordering on arrogance, oh yes and goals!
Ashley & Co are not coming back but we need to get some of these qualities asap.
Starting with Aidy making a few tough decisions by only picking those who want to play, those who believe in themselves (& him) and give them a chance to show what they can do (in their best positions, it was bad enough watching Stewart playing left wing but on the right, complete madness!
Also stop delaying subs until it's too late other than to give them appearance money!
Be positive and we can beat Scunthorpe and then start preparing for the playoffs, when anything could happen.
Come on Aidy & You Golden Boys. It's time to rediscover & then keep the Faith!
macdoris, Glasgow says...
2:33pm Mon 21 Apr 08
I am a glasgow rangers supporter and one of my best mates is a mad watford supporter. I have been to three homes games with him this season and have got to say that the atmosphere at the watford v stoke game was amazing! what happened? I also went to the West brom game and that was quite a good atmospere untill they played us...(ive started saying we when I mention watford! hope thats acceptable from a blue nose?)untill they played us off the park and i am not surpised tony mowbury is doing so well he was an amazing manager for hibs. Anyway the next game I traveled 500 miles for was the barnsley match that was not a happy journey back to Glasgow on an overnight bus I can tell you. all I could think about was how much I dislike henderson, I was always told that to be good at football you have to be able to kick the ball, head the ball, pass the ball and also recognise a ball when its layed out front of you. henderson does not seem able to do any of these things. Everytime I see him play he seems to be playing with his blonde locks(surly not out of a bottle mr henderson?) he is also a bit fat and has no first touch or pace. personally speaking if I were Boothroyd i would play 4 4 2 with any two other stikers you have hanging around, ellington? smith? I think they are strikers. because henderson is caput. he has only scored 12 goals this season just beating king by one When we played stoke we had two excellent wingers playing what happened to them? and why when you kick of at home do you boot the ball out thus giving the other team possesion?
I havent been to wembley since scotland beat england 1 0 for euro 2000 and would love to go back but how would watfod handle palace there? my mate thinks it better that stoke slip back below hull because we will have more chance against them.
If boothroyd goes I would go for Billy davies as I think he is a good solid manager who plays good attacking football, he would also look to scotland for some players, I happen to think kris Boyd is one of the best finishers I have ever seen but walter smith just wont play him because he is obsessed with 5 4 1 and wont play him. he has score 60 goals in three years at kilmarnock and rangers and he would be amazing for watford I also think you need a central midfielder because you seem to play everything down the wings and not through the middle. I would keep shittu,smith,ellingt
o,otoole, prisbin and demerit and get rid of all the rest.
SEE YOU ALL FOR THE SCUNTHORPE GAME! I always sit in the rookery which is one of the best stands for atmosphere and brilliant comment from the regulars.
Sorry if I have babbled on abit, but I now concider watford my english team infact my second team and I will support them evermore, except henderson unless he has a hair cut and becomes a good player again.
I havent been to wembley since scotland beat england 1 0 for euro 2000 and would love to go back but how would watfod handle palace there? my mate thinks it better that stoke slip back below hull because we will have more chance against them.
If boothroyd goes I would go for Billy davies as I think he is a good solid manager who plays good attacking football, he would also look to scotland for some players, I happen to think kris Boyd is one of the best finishers I have ever seen but walter smith just wont play him because he is obsessed with 5 4 1 and wont play him. he has score 60 goals in three years at kilmarnock and rangers and he would be amazing for watford I also think you need a central midfielder because you seem to play everything down the wings and not through the middle. I would keep shittu,smith,ellingt
o,otoole, prisbin and demerit and get rid of all the rest.
SEE YOU ALL FOR THE SCUNTHORPE GAME! I always sit in the rookery which is one of the best stands for atmosphere and brilliant comment from the regulars.
Sorry if I have babbled on abit, but I now concider watford my english team infact my second team and I will support them evermore, except henderson unless he has a hair cut and becomes a good player again.
Stewart, LB says...
2:47pm Mon 21 Apr 08
macdoris, that sure is a long trip to watch the Barnsley game. Fair play to you. Not sure I agree with you on Henderson though! He's definately not fat, see goal celebration v Southampton.If that's fat, i'd love to be overweight! Who manages Doncaster? CAn't be bothered to check but they play lovely football. We were rumoured to be after Kris Boyd a couple of seasons ago. He seemed to score every week. Can't see WBA or Stoke slipping up now.
Stewart, LB says...
2:57pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Sean O'Driscoll = football on the floor.
macdoris, Glasgow says...
2:57pm Mon 21 Apr 08
hi stew
I know he is not really fat but when ever i see him he seems quite slow and of the pace.
see you at wembly!
I know he is not really fat but when ever i see him he seems quite slow and of the pace.
see you at wembly!
Drinker, says...
2:57pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Jock--so as well as good food,decent beer,wearing trousers and indoor plumbing -that is football now added to the list of things that confuse scotsmen!
Keep ellington? Dump Henderson?--keep Priskin?
Your bloody mate has a lot to answer for.
Off to the north east to re build that bloody wall that Hadrian put up!
Keep ellington? Dump Henderson?--keep Priskin?
Your bloody mate has a lot to answer for.
Off to the north east to re build that bloody wall that Hadrian put up!
shelton 08, Guildford,surrey says...
3:02pm Mon 21 Apr 08
I'm lost.
We were fine with our new defencive signings(matt sadler And leigh bromby)and suddenly we lose 3-0 to barnsley and 2-0 to palace.After all those draws.We are also lacking leadership.We've had more captains than ellington and kabba have goals!I think this summer we should get cameron jerome,aaron mclean and henri camera up front.We have got to sell the hopeless ellington and kabba.
We were fine with our new defencive signings(matt sadler And leigh bromby)and suddenly we lose 3-0 to barnsley and 2-0 to palace.After all those draws.We are also lacking leadership.We've had more captains than ellington and kabba have goals!I think this summer we should get cameron jerome,aaron mclean and henri camera up front.We have got to sell the hopeless ellington and kabba.
henry, oxhey says...
3:05pm Mon 21 Apr 08
I still wonder if the dead hand of Bassett has anything to do with our pedantic and predictable displays.
Why not play the Feb v. Wolves back 4 with LB and JE giving the orders - MS/AM/LB/LD. Upfront SK and NE for al least the first half. We have too many stale players on show at present.
Why not play the Feb v. Wolves back 4 with LB and JE giving the orders - MS/AM/LB/LD. Upfront SK and NE for al least the first half. We have too many stale players on show at present.
Stewart, LB says...
3:10pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Is that Henri Camera, sponsored by Canon?
Notice how Ellington looks so much better with ball to feet, poor sod on Saturday waiting with his coat on, come on Aidy. Although why is he STILL taking free kicks. I heard he practices them using a table tennis net as a wall and beats it nearly every time!
Notice how Ellington looks so much better with ball to feet, poor sod on Saturday waiting with his coat on, come on Aidy. Although why is he STILL taking free kicks. I heard he practices them using a table tennis net as a wall and beats it nearly every time!
macdoris, Glasgow says...
4:46pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Drinker
you miss the point which from the way you write surprises me not a jot.
I have only seen three games!
Therefore my opions only count for those games I have seen.
I was being nice.
I like watford because of my mate and not tossers like you.
Feel free to take it up with me on saturday, I will be in the rookery I will be the one red haired guy wearing a kilt and a watford top covered in whiskey.
Although you probably have hair like henderson as well hence your support!
you miss the point which from the way you write surprises me not a jot.
I have only seen three games!
Therefore my opions only count for those games I have seen.
I was being nice.
I like watford because of my mate and not tossers like you.
Feel free to take it up with me on saturday, I will be in the rookery I will be the one red haired guy wearing a kilt and a watford top covered in whiskey.
Although you probably have hair like henderson as well hence your support!
Erik, Lincoln says...
4:53pm Mon 21 Apr 08
I think you are being a bit cruel to macdoris about rebuilding Hadrian's Wall. He is positive and enthusiastic, God knows we've had little enough of that this season. Perhaps he could give the team talk or even play up front, he might be no worse that what we have at the moment.
My mind goes back to our victory at Glanford Park earlier in the season. It seems like a lifetime ago. I thought we played well, looked stronger than them, looked more skillful than them and it was one of the few times I have watched the Horns feeling that no matter how they huffed and puffed against us we would win. No doubt Sage or colin will say I'm wrong and we were rubbish that day, but that's how I remember it. I'll miss Scunthorpe though, nice and close to me so it was the one match where I would spend less time getting to the ground than watching the game! If we don't go up I hope Doncaster or Forest come up.
My mind goes back to our victory at Glanford Park earlier in the season. It seems like a lifetime ago. I thought we played well, looked stronger than them, looked more skillful than them and it was one of the few times I have watched the Horns feeling that no matter how they huffed and puffed against us we would win. No doubt Sage or colin will say I'm wrong and we were rubbish that day, but that's how I remember it. I'll miss Scunthorpe though, nice and close to me so it was the one match where I would spend less time getting to the ground than watching the game! If we don't go up I hope Doncaster or Forest come up.
Scotshorn, Aberdeen says...
5:03pm Mon 21 Apr 08
macdoris of glasgow - you said I was always told that to be good at football you have to be able to kick the ball, head the ball, pass the ball and also recognise a ball when its layed out front of you. henderson does not seem able to do any of these things.
On the face of it, that makes sense - but then I remembered the last time we bought a player from you bluenoses - Charlie Miller. He could do all of that, but was a complete waste of space, whereas DH has been invaluable!!
Agree with you re Kris Boyd - would be an excellent acquisition as he knows where the back of the net is. But if you think DH is fat
what on earth does that make Boyd? I thought that was why Rangers rarely play him.
On the face of it, that makes sense - but then I remembered the last time we bought a player from you bluenoses - Charlie Miller. He could do all of that, but was a complete waste of space, whereas DH has been invaluable!!
Agree with you re Kris Boyd - would be an excellent acquisition as he knows where the back of the net is. But if you think DH is fat
what on earth does that make Boyd? I thought that was why Rangers rarely play him.
VoR, Watford says...
5:06pm Mon 21 Apr 08
macdoris wrote:Give him a Glasgow kiss!!!
Drinker
you miss the point which from the way you write surprises me not a jot.
I have only seen three games!
Therefore my opions only count for those games I have seen.
I was being nice.
I like watford because of my mate and not tossers like you.
Feel free to take it up with me on saturday, I will be in the rookery I will be the one red haired guy wearing a kilt and a watford top covered in whiskey.
Although you probably have hair like henderson as well hence your support!
macdoris, Glasgow says...
5:34pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Hello scotshorn
I was having a laugh about henderson!
Achually think hes quite good, was bit rubbish the games I saw him in though!
To be honest the names of the players I said boothroyd should keep were taken of the watford top scorers list! so I thought they must be good!
Charley Miller is one of those players who flatters to deceave he pops up with the odd brilliant goal then does sod all for 4 or 5 games, he is out injured anyway.
UP THE YELLOWS!
I was having a laugh about henderson!
Achually think hes quite good, was bit rubbish the games I saw him in though!
To be honest the names of the players I said boothroyd should keep were taken of the watford top scorers list! so I thought they must be good!
Charley Miller is one of those players who flatters to deceave he pops up with the odd brilliant goal then does sod all for 4 or 5 games, he is out injured anyway.
UP THE YELLOWS!
Drinker, says...
5:56pm Mon 21 Apr 08
No Jock you miss the point--only the opinonated Scots would pass such comments on such flimsy evidence- I thought you wanted independencve and all we get is you whining on about Celtic (the best club) and the blue arses joining the premier league.
It`s our bloody oil-and I hate scotch whisky--its is a pale imitation of the real thing from Ireland--you do not need to desribe yourself--I can smell!
It`s our bloody oil-and I hate scotch whisky--its is a pale imitation of the real thing from Ireland--you do not need to desribe yourself--I can smell!
macdoris, Glasgow says...
6:08pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Oh drinker!
I bet your family really, really loves you!
Does it really annoy you that a rangers fan and a PROUD scots man can begin to support watford?
Well i say begin, I have always had a soft spot since john barnes and didnt mo johnstone play for watford? Malky makay is still there and was I think a loyal servant to the club.
I am sure your fellow normal friendly watford fans could list a whole lot of ex scottish watford players who would have died for the cause.
Some of my best friends are celtic fans and some of them are irish! we all love each other!
Oh by the way I do have red hair and a kilt and a watford top but no whiskey.
feel free to search me out in the rookery and I will gladdly shake you by the hand.
And we can then have a big friendly punch up while you eat a good meal drink weal urine that you call beer if you really want to.
I bet your family really, really loves you!
Does it really annoy you that a rangers fan and a PROUD scots man can begin to support watford?
Well i say begin, I have always had a soft spot since john barnes and didnt mo johnstone play for watford? Malky makay is still there and was I think a loyal servant to the club.
I am sure your fellow normal friendly watford fans could list a whole lot of ex scottish watford players who would have died for the cause.
Some of my best friends are celtic fans and some of them are irish! we all love each other!
Oh by the way I do have red hair and a kilt and a watford top but no whiskey.
feel free to search me out in the rookery and I will gladdly shake you by the hand.
And we can then have a big friendly punch up while you eat a good meal drink weal urine that you call beer if you really want to.
Sage Lazarus, says...
6:16pm Mon 21 Apr 08
macdoris--sorry to intrude but my pet hate - Stephen Glass was Scottish & apart from the 2 you mention who were great-I cannot actually think of any others off the top of my head.
George Reilly was sort of a Scot & sort of a player I guess-
I am happy if you have seen the light but lay off the beer comments please -English Ale is the finest in the world and having been to your homeland many times I can assure you that the same cannot be said of the stuff drunk in your bars mostly.
George Reilly was sort of a Scot & sort of a player I guess-
I am happy if you have seen the light but lay off the beer comments please -English Ale is the finest in the world and having been to your homeland many times I can assure you that the same cannot be said of the stuff drunk in your bars mostly.
macdoris, Glasgow says...
6:25pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Hey sage!
only kidding on the ale joke, have enjoyed many a pint of newcastle, worthingtons,theakst
ons old perculier and best of all robinsons old tom!
And I agree about the stuff they drink in bars up hear cats pee we call it!
only kidding on the ale joke, have enjoyed many a pint of newcastle, worthingtons,theakst
ons old perculier and best of all robinsons old tom!
And I agree about the stuff they drink in bars up hear cats pee we call it!
Sage Lazarus, says...
6:36pm Mon 21 Apr 08
you were doing so well until you mention Newcastle--a sweet drink for people with no class or education & unless you mean worthington WHITE SHIELD then the other Worthiongton stuff is a vile imitation of beer. However all Robinsons is good & olt tom @ c 8% is quite something!
mellow_yellow, watford says...
6:53pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Sage:
Methinks you have been a tad too enthusiastic in your appreciation of the 8%... you seem to be forgetting the legend that was Allan Smart. His porridge celebration after his goal v Chelski should stay in the memory for some time, and as for the play-off final....
Welcome, MacDoris. Are you a franchise?
Methinks you have been a tad too enthusiastic in your appreciation of the 8%... you seem to be forgetting the legend that was Allan Smart. His porridge celebration after his goal v Chelski should stay in the memory for some time, and as for the play-off final....
Welcome, MacDoris. Are you a franchise?
Sage Lazarus, says...
7:35pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Allan Smart --quite right but at least he did not live up to the brawling stereotype--apart from his arrests whilst @ bury & somewhere else!
Scotshorn, Aberdeen says...
7:37pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Sage Lazarus wrote:Sage - surely the name Stewart Scullion should constantly lurk at the top of your head!! Have to admit it's a bit hard to come up with any more in the great category though - can only think of Willie Falconer, Bert Slater & Walter Lees, not exactly greats.
macdoris--sorry to intrude but my pet hate - Stephen Glass was Scottish & apart from the 2 you mention who were great-I cannot actually think of any others off the top of my head. George Reilly was sort of a Scot & sort of a player I guess- I am happy if you have seen the light but lay off the beer comments please -English Ale is the finest in the world and having been to your homeland many times I can assure you that the same cannot be said of the stuff drunk in your bars mostly.
On the subject of beer (and Bert Slater - they went hand in hand!!), have to admit you are right. But keep your eyes out for Brewdog - coming to a Tesco's or Oddbins near you very soon. Top drop brewed not far from here.
Sage Lazarus, says...
9:14pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Scullion was brought up in bloody Ruislip left jockland whilst still a baby! Correct re the others but msany mngrs inc GT to an extent thought they were trouble and signed them reluctantly.
rosh99, hereford says...
9:29pm Mon 21 Apr 08
I've got 2 pet tortoises and they move quicker than any of our strikers, and the tortoises are deadly when they're booting a radish around their tank. Who votes for them to start up front on Saturday?
macdoris, Glasgow says...
11:17pm Mon 21 Apr 08
thanks for the welcome mellow_yellow!
Wheres drinker? probably in bed with his wittle teddy.
I am one of the few scots that does not mind being called a jock ie sweaty sock - jock. I am married to a lovely english girl and have to lovely children who will grow up supporting Rangers, and possibly watford(wifes a arsenal fan) and of course scotland. One of the reasons I even bothered to post a message on this site was because on the whole the watford fans I met at the games I have been to were delightful, intelligent people who loved their club but could still take the pee out of it when needs arose! Achually watford play a bit like the scots national team! a lot of passion and a great team spirit with wonderful fans to boot. trouble is we never seem to win anything! so I like people who can laugh at them selfs when the chips are down and when you wake up from bye byes mr drinker look in the mirror I am sure there will be a lot to laugh at!
does anyone know if there will be a public sale of tickets for the play offs at wembly? I will have been to four home games by then as well.
Wheres drinker? probably in bed with his wittle teddy.
I am one of the few scots that does not mind being called a jock ie sweaty sock - jock. I am married to a lovely english girl and have to lovely children who will grow up supporting Rangers, and possibly watford(wifes a arsenal fan) and of course scotland. One of the reasons I even bothered to post a message on this site was because on the whole the watford fans I met at the games I have been to were delightful, intelligent people who loved their club but could still take the pee out of it when needs arose! Achually watford play a bit like the scots national team! a lot of passion and a great team spirit with wonderful fans to boot. trouble is we never seem to win anything! so I like people who can laugh at them selfs when the chips are down and when you wake up from bye byes mr drinker look in the mirror I am sure there will be a lot to laugh at!
does anyone know if there will be a public sale of tickets for the play offs at wembly? I will have been to four home games by then as well.
Richard, Come On You Golden Boys! says...
12:30am Tue 22 Apr 08
Jock,
We didn't sell all the tickets 2 years ago when we flying, so I hardly think you'll have difficulty getting as many tickets as you want for the Final.
Probably best to get your Mrs to phone up the club though, in case they think it's a hoax!
We didn't sell all the tickets 2 years ago when we flying, so I hardly think you'll have difficulty getting as many tickets as you want for the Final.
Probably best to get your Mrs to phone up the club though, in case they think it's a hoax!
JohnBoy, Watford says...
7:47am Tue 22 Apr 08
Sage Lazarus wrote:Alan Smart was a disappointment, he could and should have achieved more than he did. Never forget the sitter he missed at St James. All he had to do was pass it into the net but he decided to try and be flash and ended up passing it to the keeper.
Allan Smart --quite right but at least he did not live up to the brawling stereotype--apart from his arrests whilst @ bury & somewhere else!
mellow_yellow, watford says...
7:56am Tue 22 Apr 08
Richard: The diference two years ago was that the final was in Cardiff and many people - myself included - could not get a train due to the incompetence of the morons who run our railway system these days. Remember the great 38,000 at Wembley back in 99? Of course, most of them went missing only a few months after, but that's the nature of 'fans'...
As for Smartie, yes, he should and could have achieved more, but the post was about Scottish players in a yellow shirt. There haven't been many, and he certainly offered more than (Broken) Glass and (Pie-Boy)Miller. And for that split second in the 89th minute back in our first play-off final, I will always rememebr him with fondness.
How many Scottish managers have we had, by the way? Maybe we should stick MacDoris in the box seat. He certainly sounds more of a laugh than Boothroyd.
As for Smartie, yes, he should and could have achieved more, but the post was about Scottish players in a yellow shirt. There haven't been many, and he certainly offered more than (Broken) Glass and (Pie-Boy)Miller. And for that split second in the 89th minute back in our first play-off final, I will always rememebr him with fondness.
How many Scottish managers have we had, by the way? Maybe we should stick MacDoris in the box seat. He certainly sounds more of a laugh than Boothroyd.
macdoris, Glasgow says...
9:28am Tue 22 Apr 08
mellow_yellow
If I was manager the first thing I would d is exicute drinker in the centre circle and the next thing I would do is go to a pub with the true watford fans and ASK them what it is THEY WANT FOR THE CLUB.
Then do the complete opposite! thats what boothroyd seems to be doing!
If I was manager the first thing I would d is exicute drinker in the centre circle and the next thing I would do is go to a pub with the true watford fans and ASK them what it is THEY WANT FOR THE CLUB.
Then do the complete opposite! thats what boothroyd seems to be doing!
Hexham Hornet, Hexham says...
10:19am Tue 22 Apr 08
Nobody has mentioned one of our best Scots, John McClelland. The job he did for us was similar to Malky in his first season.
Do you think now is the time for Aidy to change formation? How about a 3-5-2: Lee, Bromby, Shittu, DeMerit,McAnuff, Smith, O'Toole, Eustace, Stewart, Henderson, Priskin. Subs: Doyley, Sadler, Ellington, Ainsworth, Liam Henderson (who is on fire at the levels he has been playing at). There is no point in being ultra defensive as we need goals and wins. If we qualify for play-offs by drawing we will not have any form behind us and are unlikely to reach the final. It is is s**t or bust time now.
Do you think now is the time for Aidy to change formation? How about a 3-5-2: Lee, Bromby, Shittu, DeMerit,McAnuff, Smith, O'Toole, Eustace, Stewart, Henderson, Priskin. Subs: Doyley, Sadler, Ellington, Ainsworth, Liam Henderson (who is on fire at the levels he has been playing at). There is no point in being ultra defensive as we need goals and wins. If we qualify for play-offs by drawing we will not have any form behind us and are unlikely to reach the final. It is is s**t or bust time now.
mellow_yellow, watford says...
11:27am Tue 22 Apr 08
HH: There's probably a very good reason for that - McClelland was Irish and played for Northern Ireland.
Been on the 8% like Sage, have you? ;o)
Been on the 8% like Sage, have you? ;o)
Drinker, says...
11:57am Tue 22 Apr 08
Macjocky scotty man wearing skirts--greetings! enough almacready! My first post was T in C(any meaning you like)and it has now escalated in the wrong way--I anm happy that you wish to watch the G Boys but not that you prefer TP to Hendo--unless you have any influence at Ibrox and can get him & Ellington a move!
I admit my bias in working for a Scottish Bank with A Scottish boss.
(Mad Jock McKnobhead)
I have little objection to sleeping with scottish women as long as they have shaved and still find haggis inedible .
I re-confirm my disgust at Hadrians pathetic attempts.
If you wish to buy me a pint and confound your national stereotype I will be both stunned and pleased!
Tea break over--Bye!
I admit my bias in working for a Scottish Bank with A Scottish boss.
(Mad Jock McKnobhead)
I have little objection to sleeping with scottish women as long as they have shaved and still find haggis inedible .
I re-confirm my disgust at Hadrians pathetic attempts.
If you wish to buy me a pint and confound your national stereotype I will be both stunned and pleased!
Tea break over--Bye!
Vicar Rage, says...
1:09pm Tue 22 Apr 08
Drinker/Sage/Lifer
I address all three of you, as you are, after all, the same person.
I was hoping to find a small specialist sales performance improvement company with an 18 year track record.
Do you know of any in the Midlands?
I address all three of you, as you are, after all, the same person.
I was hoping to find a small specialist sales performance improvement company with an 18 year track record.
Do you know of any in the Midlands?
macdoris, Glasgow says...
1:16pm Tue 22 Apr 08
hey my drinker or should I say sage, or is it lifer? do you work for the Watford observer? what was your remit? say anything you like, be contentous! attack nice scottish men! dont blink first in any confrontation!...wel
l drinky poos you blinked first!
LOL
Its all fun aint it!
Come on the gers you can do fiorentina!
hope so!
l drinky poos you blinked first!
LOL
Its all fun aint it!
Come on the gers you can do fiorentina!
hope so!
****, says...
3:02pm Tue 22 Apr 08
is this the usual standard or have I just got lucky?
I was going to put "talkin" in front of my name but it would seem to be pointless now.
Anyway as a new boy but still hopeful of finding some inspiration here, I will persevere.
why can`t people on here just exchange views without all this personal stuff.
some of it is well over my head but we are still in with a chance of going up,so how about some positives?
The only positive stuff I see on here is about sas attractive as HIV positive.
I was going to put "talkin" in front of my name but it would seem to be pointless now.
Anyway as a new boy but still hopeful of finding some inspiration here, I will persevere.
why can`t people on here just exchange views without all this personal stuff.
some of it is well over my head but we are still in with a chance of going up,so how about some positives?
The only positive stuff I see on here is about sas attractive as HIV positive.
VoR, Watford says...
6:20pm Tue 22 Apr 08
Sage Lazarus wrote:As in Tony Cotton????
Scullion was brought up in bloody Ruislip left jockland whilst still a baby! Correct re the others but msany mngrs inc GT to an extent thought they were trouble and signed them reluctantly.
Drinker, says...
8:46pm Tue 22 Apr 08
Vicar Rage wrote:Vicar Rage
Drinker/Sage/Lifer I address all three of you, as you are, after all, the same person. I was hoping to find a small specialist sales performance improvement company with an 18 year track record. Do you know of any in the Midlands?
for the avoidance of doubt you should know that this post is now the subject of a complaint from me.
I believe that is clear evidence of a breach of trust and misuse of data.
We shall see in due course.
VoR, Watford says...
9:02pm Tue 22 Apr 08
Drinker wrote:Wot u talking about sage?
Vicar Rage wrote:Vicar Rage
Drinker/Sage/Lifer I address all three of you, as you are, after all, the same person. I was hoping to find a small specialist sales performance improvement company with an 18 year track record. Do you know of any in the Midlands?
for the avoidance of doubt you should know that this post is now the subject of a complaint from me.
I believe that is clear evidence of a breach of trust and misuse of data.
We shall see in due course.
Vicar Rage, says...
9:16pm Tue 22 Apr 08
Oh come on Drinker!
It doesn't take long on Google to find your website.
I mean, I have always said I knew the name you posted under originally, and at that time you also posted the name of the town you were from.
Put that information, and certain words relating to the area of business you clearly operate in from things you have said in your posts into Google, and after a while out pops a website.
I thought you'd be flattered that someone would visit your site and have a look around!
You can't have a website and want people not to see it, surely?
It doesn't take long on Google to find your website.
I mean, I have always said I knew the name you posted under originally, and at that time you also posted the name of the town you were from.
Put that information, and certain words relating to the area of business you clearly operate in from things you have said in your posts into Google, and after a while out pops a website.
I thought you'd be flattered that someone would visit your site and have a look around!
You can't have a website and want people not to see it, surely?
Vicar Rage, says...
9:27pm Tue 22 Apr 08
Drinker
Just to add, you should actually be quite happy with the ranking of your website on Google!
Put your real Christian name, surname and the word 'management' into Google, and you appear on the fourth page.
I'll admit I had to try a few words before I got to 'management' (you know, the ones you'd expect: brilliant, genius, football business expert etc)
Bearing in mind how much the word 'management' appears on the web, I'd be pretty content at being so high up on Google if I were you.
I fail to see how searching on Google is a breach of trust or a misuse of data.
The magic of an internet search is there for all to use.
And as I said, you've been posting under various names for a while now, often agreeing with yourself.
You denied more than once when I suggested I knew who all your various guises were. Yet it was prettye asy because you have a particular style of language, the use of noticeable punctuation (such as double --) etc.
So, all I did was whack the name you used some time ago and the word 'management' into Google and, hey presto, up you popped.
And as you'll note, I have been careful not to give away any names or web addresses. I was merely hoping to prove a point and draw an admission from you.
So, let's get back to just posting under one name each shall we? Then we know no-one is using nom de plumes to agree with their own opinions!
Just to add, you should actually be quite happy with the ranking of your website on Google!
Put your real Christian name, surname and the word 'management' into Google, and you appear on the fourth page.
I'll admit I had to try a few words before I got to 'management' (you know, the ones you'd expect: brilliant, genius, football business expert etc)
Bearing in mind how much the word 'management' appears on the web, I'd be pretty content at being so high up on Google if I were you.
I fail to see how searching on Google is a breach of trust or a misuse of data.
The magic of an internet search is there for all to use.
And as I said, you've been posting under various names for a while now, often agreeing with yourself.
You denied more than once when I suggested I knew who all your various guises were. Yet it was prettye asy because you have a particular style of language, the use of noticeable punctuation (such as double --) etc.
So, all I did was whack the name you used some time ago and the word 'management' into Google and, hey presto, up you popped.
And as you'll note, I have been careful not to give away any names or web addresses. I was merely hoping to prove a point and draw an admission from you.
So, let's get back to just posting under one name each shall we? Then we know no-one is using nom de plumes to agree with their own opinions!
VoR, Watford says...
9:43pm Tue 22 Apr 08
O M G ! ! ! !
Drinker, says...
8:20am Wed 23 Apr 08
VICAR RAGE
This is my final comment until I get to the bottom of issues with the WO,either through their co-operation or my enforcement by all available means.
Methinks you doth
protest too much.
Whilst your explanation is possible I think it unlikely,and that rather,it is the disclosure of my email address that is at the heart of this.
If you are associated with the WO,its group of companies or its ISP,then that would fully explain a number of your statements.
As you have my contact details via the website you mention,why did you not initiate the off-line contact that you suggested?
I suspect it was so that you did not leave a clear footprint.
On that score ,I am today asking my IT consultants to see what can be done to backtrack site visitors.
It could be as you say and that I am paranoid and will owe you an apology,
although it is still an invasion of privacy in my view.
However until I am fully satisfied that an employee has not mis-used their position and breached any reasonable code of conduct,or minor provisions of the DP ACT I will not post further.
This is my final comment until I get to the bottom of issues with the WO,either through their co-operation or my enforcement by all available means.
Methinks you doth
protest too much.
Whilst your explanation is possible I think it unlikely,and that rather,it is the disclosure of my email address that is at the heart of this.
If you are associated with the WO,its group of companies or its ISP,then that would fully explain a number of your statements.
As you have my contact details via the website you mention,why did you not initiate the off-line contact that you suggested?
I suspect it was so that you did not leave a clear footprint.
On that score ,I am today asking my IT consultants to see what can be done to backtrack site visitors.
It could be as you say and that I am paranoid and will owe you an apology,
although it is still an invasion of privacy in my view.
However until I am fully satisfied that an employee has not mis-used their position and breached any reasonable code of conduct,or minor provisions of the DP ACT I will not post further.
Vicar Rage, says...
10:16am Wed 23 Apr 08
Drinker
I have no desire whatsoever to contact you I just wanted to see if Sage/Drinker/Lifer were the same person who used to post under their real name and home town.
Your responses suggest they are.
If I was going to invade your privacy I would have done so by now as I could have called the phone numbers or bombarded the e-mail address on your website. Im not some silly teenager. You have always taken the high moral/intelligence/e
ducation ground, and all I have attempted to show by doing this little bit of very basic hunting is that there are some people on here as smart as you.
I mean, how can you call looking at a publicly available website an invasion of privacy?
I have used two ISPs neither of which are connected to the Watford Observer or its group of companies. I dont work for the Watford Observer or its group of companies.
In fact, it offends me that you suggest any deviance. Can you not simply accept that someone can take the name you use and your regular references to your work in the consultancy/manageme
nt/business world, punch it all into the wonderful worldwide web, and find you?
You chose to use your name, your home town and talk about the work you do on a public forum.
Take that information and put it into a search engine and - quite literally - within 15 to 20 minutes I'd found your website.
Thats all I have done. Anyone could have done the same. You might say Im sad for bothering perhaps I am!
But these inferences you make are unfair. Im not going to make any complaints or demand an apology.
But Id be happy to accept one, should you offer it, and then we can all move on.
I have enjoyed debating with you, and admire the way you have accepted on-the-field results and decisions are now becoming unacceptable.
Theres a big game on Saturday . . .
I have no desire whatsoever to contact you I just wanted to see if Sage/Drinker/Lifer were the same person who used to post under their real name and home town.
Your responses suggest they are.
If I was going to invade your privacy I would have done so by now as I could have called the phone numbers or bombarded the e-mail address on your website. Im not some silly teenager. You have always taken the high moral/intelligence/e
ducation ground, and all I have attempted to show by doing this little bit of very basic hunting is that there are some people on here as smart as you.
I mean, how can you call looking at a publicly available website an invasion of privacy?
I have used two ISPs neither of which are connected to the Watford Observer or its group of companies. I dont work for the Watford Observer or its group of companies.
In fact, it offends me that you suggest any deviance. Can you not simply accept that someone can take the name you use and your regular references to your work in the consultancy/manageme
nt/business world, punch it all into the wonderful worldwide web, and find you?
You chose to use your name, your home town and talk about the work you do on a public forum.
Take that information and put it into a search engine and - quite literally - within 15 to 20 minutes I'd found your website.
Thats all I have done. Anyone could have done the same. You might say Im sad for bothering perhaps I am!
But these inferences you make are unfair. Im not going to make any complaints or demand an apology.
But Id be happy to accept one, should you offer it, and then we can all move on.
I have enjoyed debating with you, and admire the way you have accepted on-the-field results and decisions are now becoming unacceptable.
Theres a big game on Saturday . . .
Drinker, says...
11:25am Wed 23 Apr 08
Vicar Rage
given your assurance of no connection with the WO,then my concerns are over.
I have to say that I have already received a prompt response from their Management which like your assurance,I accept.
I am perhaps particularly sensitive, as when using my full name on here in the past my site suffered significant damage including email cloning and disruption to mine & cli
given your assurance of no connection with the WO,then my concerns are over.
I have to say that I have already received a prompt response from their Management which like your assurance,I accept.
I am perhaps particularly sensitive, as when using my full name on here in the past my site suffered significant damage including email cloning and disruption to mine & cli
Scott, Watford says...
10:58am Mon 21 Apr 08