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Collins John's ignominious spell at Watford has ended after the striker returned to Fulham.
The 22-year-old, signed on loan as the replacement for Marlon King, has returned to Craven Cottage for an operation to solve his troublesome back and hamstring problems.
John arrived at Vicarage Road in January unfit and only managed to make three starts and two substitute appearances.
During John's stay at Vicarage Road, Watford will have had to pay at least 50 per cent of John's reported £18,000 a week wages and paid the Cottagers a loan fee.
Watford now look unlikely to make John's move permanent in the summer.
4:21pm Monday 21st April 2008
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CommentPosted by: hornetcarp, NORTHAMPTONSHIRE on 4:36pm Mon 21 Apr 08
what an absolute joke!!!!!!!
what an absolute joke!!!!!!!
Posted by: SIMMO, BUCKS on 4:36pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Utter shambles ,Boothroyd wasted thousands on a crock AND gets rid of Marlon King because he might get injured ,final nail for me in Boothroyd's coffin this scenerio has cost us automatic promotion but will he be held accountable i doubt it
Time to go Boothroyd
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Utter shambles ,Boothroyd wasted thousands on a crock AND gets rid of Marlon King because he might get injured ,final nail for me in Boothroyd's coffin this scenerio has cost us automatic promotion but will he be held accountable i doubt it
Time to go Boothroyd
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Posted by: Sage Lazarus on 4:39pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Time to go is a financially naive overstatement...but time for AB to stop making crazy player choices certainly!!!!!!
Time to go is a financially naive overstatement...but time for AB to stop making crazy player choices certainly!!!!!!
Posted by: Holly68, watford on 4:41pm Mon 21 Apr 08
I told you first :-) I do have credibility as those off the BBC know
I told you first :-) I do have credibility as those off the BBC know
Posted by: Vicar Rage on 4:41pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Does Boothroyd ever watch the strikers he signs?
Ellington, Hoskins, John, Ashikodi etc
One of the few he got right, Henderson, he tried to dump in the summer.
Does Boothroyd ever watch the strikers he signs?
Ellington, Hoskins, John, Ashikodi etc
One of the few he got right, Henderson, he tried to dump in the summer.
Posted by: Stewart, LB on 4:43pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Awful piece of business by Watford. Charlton got Lita, Palace - Sinclair and Hull - Folan, fit players that make a difference. This was indeed a crazy choice and a player who didn't want to join us in the first place.
Awful piece of business by Watford. Charlton got Lita, Palace - Sinclair and Hull - Folan, fit players that make a difference. This was indeed a crazy choice and a player who didn't want to join us in the first place.
Posted by: andywatford, watford on 4:58pm Mon 21 Apr 08
not to mention Kabba on fifteen grand a week. Adiy i'm afraid couldn't spot a good striker if one slapped him round the chops with a wet fish.. time to move him on, any manager that needs advice from Dave Bassett clearly has no future in the game !!!
not to mention Kabba on fifteen grand a week. Adiy i'm afraid couldn't spot a good striker if one slapped him round the chops with a wet fish.. time to move him on, any manager that needs advice from Dave Bassett clearly has no future in the game !!!
Posted by: Winston, watford on 4:59pm Mon 21 Apr 08
AB stated clearly that Collins John's had a job in the run up to promotion - a player AB stated was not match fit but was not picked for the reserves.
AB stated clearly that Collins John's had a job in the run up to promotion - a player AB stated was not match fit but was not picked for the reserves.
Posted by: Erik, Lincoln on 5:01pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Did I dream that AB chased him all last season? Or was it a nightmare? What is going on?
Did I dream that AB chased him all last season? Or was it a nightmare? What is going on?
Posted by: SIMMO, BUCKS on 5:07pm Mon 21 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Winston[/bold] wrote:
AB stated clearly that Collins John's had a job in the run up to promotion - a player AB stated was not match fit but was not picked for the reserves. [/quote] this is the trouble though Winston nobody believes a word he says anymore ,even up to thursday night he was still saying "collins has a role to play before season ends" The whole club is so full of spin it has now become dizzy and does not know what it is saying anymore AND if the chairman is not careful the focus will quickley turn on him certainley if what i was hearing as i left ground Saturday is anything to go by ,the anger was very very much aimed at him and Boothroyd
Winston wrote:
AB stated clearly that Collins John's had a job in the run up to promotion - a player AB stated was not match fit but was not picked for the reserves.
this is the trouble though Winston nobody believes a word he says anymore ,even up to thursday night he was still saying "collins has a role to play before season ends" The whole club is so full of spin it has now become dizzy and does not know what it is saying anymore AND if the chairman is not careful the focus will quickley turn on him certainley if what i was hearing as i left ground Saturday is anything to go by ,the anger was very very much aimed at him and Boothroyd
Posted by: Sully, Watford on 5:11pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Thank F**k for that.
I never seen such a shower in all my life.
Thank F**k for that.
I never seen such a shower in all my life.
Posted by: oxheypaul, watford on 5:23pm Mon 21 Apr 08
What an utter embarrassment. Boothroyd has chased three players for a year before being able to sign them - John, Ellington and McAnuff. By the time he has got em, they seem to be on the downward slope.
What an utter embarrassment. Boothroyd has chased three players for a year before being able to sign them - John, Ellington and McAnuff. By the time he has got em, they seem to be on the downward slope.
Posted by: kingmarlon, rushden on 5:25pm Mon 21 Apr 08
This just proves that its time for a change. there is stillmore to this storie but if the club do not want to tell the truth to project the player more fool them. go now all three of you.
This just proves that its time for a change. there is stillmore to this storie but if the club do not want to tell the truth to project the player more fool them. go now all three of you.
Posted by: Sage Lazarus on 5:27pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Simmo--I agree with some of your stuff but stop the overstatements please:
1. why would anyone sensible be angry with GS? rescued club--given the mngr funds ,etc--if mngr fails then GS will look at it.
2. GET RID--really @ what cost? rubbish football but if finishing in top 6 gets you sacked with 2 yrs left on contract what next?
Simmo--I agree with some of your stuff but stop the overstatements please:
1. why would anyone sensible be angry with GS? rescued club--given the mngr funds ,etc--if mngr fails then GS will look at it.
2. GET RID--really @ what cost? rubbish football but if finishing in top 6 gets you sacked with 2 yrs left on contract what next?
Posted by: Sage Lazarus on 5:28pm Mon 21 Apr 08
[quote][bold]kingmarlon[/bold] wrote:
This just proves that its time for a change. there is stillmore to this storie but if the club do not want to tell the truth to project the player more fool them. go now all three of you.[/quote] if you ever visit planet grown up let me know!
kingmarlon wrote:
This just proves that its time for a change. there is stillmore to this storie but if the club do not want to tell the truth to project the player more fool them. go now all three of you.
if you ever visit planet grown up let me know!
Posted by: chris, hemel on 5:28pm Mon 21 Apr 08
This is NOT a joke.
Having sold our top striker, we bring in a complete crock at somewhere around £10k a week. So we've wasted £150k. Thats 428 season tickets totally wasted.
If I'd done this bit of business for my company I'd be sacked, and deservedly so too.
Your response please WFC.
This is NOT a joke.
Having sold our top striker, we bring in a complete crock at somewhere around £10k a week. So we've wasted £150k. Thats 428 season tickets totally wasted.
If I'd done this bit of business for my company I'd be sacked, and deservedly so too.
Your response please WFC.
Posted by: Hexham Hornet, Hexham on 5:34pm Mon 21 Apr 08
It is interesting to see that CJ has had to go back for medical reasons. Did he have these injuries when we took him on? If so, did he have a medical? If so was it done by a doctor or one of Aidy's many laptop toting backroom staff? I just don't understand it. There are a lot of good players Aidy has missed out on this season. Not only the late loans/signings such as Folan, Sinclair and Lita. Look how well Beattie has done, Fraser Campbell at Hull, and Lisbie at Colchester. What did we end up with? Ellington, John and Kabba, all with some talent, somewhere, but nothing to show for it. Lets hope we are not committed to taking John back in the close season!! Any Al Fayed doesn't deserve our money, not after his club made MK unsettled.
It is interesting to see that CJ has had to go back for medical reasons. Did he have these injuries when we took him on? If so, did he have a medical? If so was it done by a doctor or one of Aidy's many laptop toting backroom staff? I just don't understand it. There are a lot of good players Aidy has missed out on this season. Not only the late loans/signings such as Folan, Sinclair and Lita. Look how well Beattie has done, Fraser Campbell at Hull, and Lisbie at Colchester. What did we end up with? Ellington, John and Kabba, all with some talent, somewhere, but nothing to show for it. Lets hope we are not committed to taking John back in the close season!! Any Al Fayed doesn't deserve our money, not after his club made MK unsettled.
Posted by: JimBob, Watford on 5:34pm Mon 21 Apr 08
[quote][bold]chris[/bold] wrote:
This is NOT a joke. Having sold our top striker, we bring in a complete crock at somewhere around £10k a week. So we've wasted £150k. Thats 428 season tickets totally wasted. If I'd done this bit of business for my company I'd be sacked, and deservedly so too. Your response please WFC. [/quote] Their response will -rightly - be that football isn't like any other business and 90% of deals in football constitute a risk. If it came off you'd not be whinging about the cost.
As for the rest of you lot, sage excepted, you need to grow up quick. I'll be the first to accept that Aidy is weak in the transfer market but he's done a huge amount for this club and obviously needs a bit of help in that department. Not at all impossible in the modern world of football. But if you think sacking him is the solution I (a) laugh at you endlessly and (b) ask you to take out your Fisherprice calculator and crayons and go work out exactly how much replacing Aidy would cost. I'll give you a hint - take all the money we have, then next years parachute payment and that'll be nearly right...
chris wrote:
This is NOT a joke. Having sold our top striker, we bring in a complete crock at somewhere around £10k a week. So we've wasted £150k. Thats 428 season tickets totally wasted. If I'd done this bit of business for my company I'd be sacked, and deservedly so too. Your response please WFC.
Their response will -rightly - be that football isn't like any other business and 90% of deals in football constitute a risk. If it came off you'd not be whinging about the cost.
As for the rest of you lot, sage excepted, you need to grow up quick. I'll be the first to accept that Aidy is weak in the transfer market but he's done a huge amount for this club and obviously needs a bit of help in that department. Not at all impossible in the modern world of football. But if you think sacking him is the solution I (a) laugh at you endlessly and (b) ask you to take out your Fisherprice calculator and crayons and go work out exactly how much replacing Aidy would cost. I'll give you a hint - take all the money we have, then next years parachute payment and that'll be nearly right...
Posted by: Sage Lazarus on 5:36pm Mon 21 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Vicar Rage[/bold] wrote:
Does Boothroyd ever watch the strikers he signs? Ellington, Hoskins, John, Ashikodi etc One of the few he got right, Henderson, he tried to dump in the summer.[/quote] I quite agree & he only got DH `cos Parkin turned us down--still it could be worse---all the morons who wanted the player leicester beat us to need to shut up as well...Colin wanted him & Fowler--and others claimed it was `cos we did not pay as good wages as L City....you really cannot have it both ways..we pay bad strikers good money!
Aidy knows bugga all about strikers but so do most of posters I think.
Still believe(well hope) Ashokodi (free) will be good-- If we stay down ALL but DH OUT & bring in Beckford & HH & if we can kid derby that NE will do it again for Jewell I would happily take Earnshaw in P/x even though I am not that keen on him.
Theo should progress hopefully....anyway none of the above are the answer for the prem and I know we are still going up `cos Aidy says so!!!!!!
Vicar Rage wrote:
Does Boothroyd ever watch the strikers he signs? Ellington, Hoskins, John, Ashikodi etc One of the few he got right, Henderson, he tried to dump in the summer.
I quite agree & he only got DH `cos Parkin turned us down--still it could be worse---all the morons who wanted the player leicester beat us to need to shut up as well...Colin wanted him & Fowler--and others claimed it was `cos we did not pay as good wages as L City....you really cannot have it both ways..we pay bad strikers good money!
Aidy knows bugga all about strikers but so do most of posters I think.
Still believe(well hope) Ashokodi (free) will be good-- If we stay down ALL but DH OUT & bring in Beckford & HH & if we can kid derby that NE will do it again for Jewell I would happily take Earnshaw in P/x even though I am not that keen on him.
Theo should progress hopefully....anyway none of the above are the answer for the prem and I know we are still going up `cos Aidy says so!!!!!!
Posted by: Sage Lazarus on 5:39pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Jimbob I may have failed to recignise a fellow genius in the past but you have clearly seen the light!
I am so encouraged I will overcome this nasty headcold & go for a pint!
Jimbob I may have failed to recignise a fellow genius in the past but you have clearly seen the light!
I am so encouraged I will overcome this nasty headcold & go for a pint!
Posted by: oxheypaul, watford on 5:39pm Mon 21 Apr 08
I wouldn't sack Boothroyd. BUT I would tell him to stop being so effing arrogant, get in a proper No2 with some contacts in the transfer market and at least attempt to pass the ball more than three times per match.
I wouldn't sack Boothroyd. BUT I would tell him to stop being so effing arrogant, get in a proper No2 with some contacts in the transfer market and at least attempt to pass the ball more than three times per match.
Posted by: Sage Lazarus on 5:43pm Mon 21 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Holly68[/bold] wrote:
I told you first :-) I do have credibility as those off the BBC know[/quote] Yes, and you know you are right as the VOICES TELL YOU!
Holly68 wrote:
I told you first :-) I do have credibility as those off the BBC know
Yes, and you know you are right as the VOICES TELL YOU!
Posted by: chris, hemel on 5:49pm Mon 21 Apr 08
JimBob,
If we're talking about 90% risk then I suppose you can include the following in that calculation too.
Matt Jackson, Kabba, Ellington, Williams, Francis, Rinaldi, Ashikodi, Hoskins etc etc
Add that lot to the wasted wage bill and it probably accounts for the reason why this club is now almost £5m in debt.
It may not be like any other business, but our track record in wasting scarce resources is second to non.
If AB's got any pride left then he'll do the decent thing and move on and leave some other poor sucker to pick up the debris of all his useless signings.
JimBob,
If we're talking about 90% risk then I suppose you can include the following in that calculation too.
Matt Jackson, Kabba, Ellington, Williams, Francis, Rinaldi, Ashikodi, Hoskins etc etc
Add that lot to the wasted wage bill and it probably accounts for the reason why this club is now almost £5m in debt.
It may not be like any other business, but our track record in wasting scarce resources is second to non.
If AB's got any pride left then he'll do the decent thing and move on and leave some other poor sucker to pick up the debris of all his useless signings.
Posted by: Stewart, LB on 5:51pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Jimbob, Aidy has done a great deal for the club. Agree he should be given another year on the understanding the football style must change. But i'm sure he has plenty of help. Not an excuse the way he treated Darius or the flop loan signing of John and a £3.25m player who gets 5 minutes here and there and who looked like an expensive coat stand on Saturday. Even if the reserve games aren't up to standard, it at least gets players fit and real match situations, something John could have done with perhaps.
Jimbob, Aidy has done a great deal for the club. Agree he should be given another year on the understanding the football style must change. But i'm sure he has plenty of help. Not an excuse the way he treated Darius or the flop loan signing of John and a £3.25m player who gets 5 minutes here and there and who looked like an expensive coat stand on Saturday. Even if the reserve games aren't up to standard, it at least gets players fit and real match situations, something John could have done with perhaps.
Posted by: Richard, Come On You Golden Boys! on 5:53pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Thank God he's finally gone back. An unnecessary distraction that has served no purpose other than to divert coaching attention from working with the other strikers.
Good riddance to him, John & Fulham deserve each other in the Championship.
If these details are correct, it is an appalling waste of money for us, and I hope Aidy has learned his lesson about these deals.
However, I'm not sure he should take all of the blame. He wouldn't have done the commercial details on his own, obviously Ashton must have been involved & the medics I hope.
Fulham have done us once again, and must be laughing all the way to the bank, after tapping up and unsettling Marlon King with offers of much gold, before pulling out of the deal that cost us £1m in a reduced fee from Wigan.
They have now managed to get us to pay part of an injured players wages plus a fee on top!
Amazing. It's somewhat different to the deal that Forest negotiated with us re Hoskins, he was straight back when unfit & quite right to.
Anyway. Forget him and let's move on.
Come on you Golden Boys!
Thank God he's finally gone back. An unnecessary distraction that has served no purpose other than to divert coaching attention from working with the other strikers.
Good riddance to him, John & Fulham deserve each other in the Championship.
If these details are correct, it is an appalling waste of money for us, and I hope Aidy has learned his lesson about these deals.
However, I'm not sure he should take all of the blame. He wouldn't have done the commercial details on his own, obviously Ashton must have been involved & the medics I hope.
Fulham have done us once again, and must be laughing all the way to the bank, after tapping up and unsettling Marlon King with offers of much gold, before pulling out of the deal that cost us £1m in a reduced fee from Wigan.
They have now managed to get us to pay part of an injured players wages plus a fee on top!
Amazing. It's somewhat different to the deal that Forest negotiated with us re Hoskins, he was straight back when unfit & quite right to.
Anyway. Forget him and let's move on.
Come on you Golden Boys!
Posted by: jonty, Watford on 6:02pm Mon 21 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Sully[/bold] wrote:
Thank F**k for that. I never seen such a shower in all my life.[/quote] I think ur forgetting about Ellington,Kabba & Priskin!!
Sully wrote:
Thank F**k for that. I never seen such a shower in all my life.
I think ur forgetting about Ellington,Kabba & Priskin!!
Posted by: Stephen Baldwin, hemel hempstead on 6:02pm Mon 21 Apr 08
sack the guys that financed this move, its a joke
sack the guys that financed this move, its a joke
Posted by: Lifer on 6:08pm Mon 21 Apr 08
[quote][bold]chris[/bold] wrote:
JimBob, If we're talking about 90% risk then I suppose you can include the following in that calculation too. Matt Jackson, Kabba, Ellington, Williams, Francis, Rinaldi, Ashikodi, Hoskins etc etc Add that lot to the wasted wage bill and it probably accounts for the reason why this club is now almost £5m in debt. It may not be like any other business, but our track record in wasting scarce resources is second to non. If AB's got any pride left then he'll do the decent thing and move on and leave some other poor sucker to pick up the debris of all his useless signings.[/quote] Chris, £5m in debt--how are you calculating that? are you saying that net liabilities exceed net assets/g`teed income?
I hope you do not rely on CONFUSED OF THE OBSERVER as he is an alarmist with zero financial grasp of reality.
Your statement also implies that PLANNED PLAYING BUDGETS HAVE BEEN EXCEEDED--highly unlikely I think.
chris wrote:
JimBob, If we're talking about 90% risk then I suppose you can include the following in that calculation too. Matt Jackson, Kabba, Ellington, Williams, Francis, Rinaldi, Ashikodi, Hoskins etc etc Add that lot to the wasted wage bill and it probably accounts for the reason why this club is now almost £5m in debt. It may not be like any other business, but our track record in wasting scarce resources is second to non. If AB's got any pride left then he'll do the decent thing and move on and leave some other poor sucker to pick up the debris of all his useless signings.
Chris, £5m in debt--how are you calculating that? are you saying that net liabilities exceed net assets/g`teed income?
I hope you do not rely on CONFUSED OF THE OBSERVER as he is an alarmist with zero financial grasp of reality.
Your statement also implies that PLANNED PLAYING BUDGETS HAVE BEEN EXCEEDED--highly unlikely I think.
Posted by: Lifer on 6:09pm Mon 21 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Stephen Baldwin[/bold] wrote:
sack the guys that financed this move, its a joke[/quote] That would be SKY then!
Stephen Baldwin wrote:
sack the guys that financed this move, its a joke
That would be SKY then!
Posted by: Mark, Watford on 6:18pm Mon 21 Apr 08
What a waste of time...we've had a few bad loan signings but at least they've played and not cost loads in wages.
What a waste of time...we've had a few bad loan signings but at least they've played and not cost loads in wages.
Posted by: Darren, Canada on 7:03pm Mon 21 Apr 08
It is obvious how cheesed off we are as fans, but seriously, just must how the board really feel? Firstly the King sale was going to happen, he did NOT want to play for us, so no-one can be blamed for that. However, the clubs biggest purchase has yet to perform to his potential, John goes back and we face a possible playoff position with no strength in attack. I think the club messed up in the January window by not getting another striker, but hindsight is a great thing. Bromby, Sadler and Eustace have all been good singings, but we need goals and I do not see those coming. An embarassing day for the club I am sure.
It is obvious how cheesed off we are as fans, but seriously, just must how the board really feel? Firstly the King sale was going to happen, he did NOT want to play for us, so no-one can be blamed for that. However, the clubs biggest purchase has yet to perform to his potential, John goes back and we face a possible playoff position with no strength in attack. I think the club messed up in the January window by not getting another striker, but hindsight is a great thing. Bromby, Sadler and Eustace have all been good singings, but we need goals and I do not see those coming. An embarassing day for the club I am sure.
Posted by: JimBob, Watford on 7:15pm Mon 21 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Lifer[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]chris[/bold] wrote: JimBob, If we're talking about 90% risk then I suppose you can include the following in that calculation too. Matt Jackson, Kabba, Ellington, Williams, Francis, Rinaldi, Ashikodi, Hoskins etc etc Add that lot to the wasted wage bill and it probably accounts for the reason why this club is now almost £5m in debt. It may not be like any other business, but our track record in wasting scarce resources is second to non. If AB's got any pride left then he'll do the decent thing and move on and leave some other poor sucker to pick up the debris of all his useless signings.[/quote] Chris, £5m in debt--how are you calculating that? are you saying that net liabilities exceed net assets/g`teed income? I hope you do not rely on CONFUSED OF THE OBSERVER as he is an alarmist with zero financial grasp of reality. Your statement also implies that PLANNED PLAYING BUDGETS HAVE BEEN EXCEEDED--highly unlikely I think. [/quote] Don't confuse the poor soul! Affleck said we're in debt and he's never wrong!
Lifer wrote:
chris wrote: JimBob, If we're talking about 90% risk then I suppose you can include the following in that calculation too. Matt Jackson, Kabba, Ellington, Williams, Francis, Rinaldi, Ashikodi, Hoskins etc etc Add that lot to the wasted wage bill and it probably accounts for the reason why this club is now almost £5m in debt. It may not be like any other business, but our track record in wasting scarce resources is second to non. If AB's got any pride left then he'll do the decent thing and move on and leave some other poor sucker to pick up the debris of all his useless signings.
Chris, £5m in debt--how are you calculating that? are you saying that net liabilities exceed net assets/g`teed income? I hope you do not rely on CONFUSED OF THE OBSERVER as he is an alarmist with zero financial grasp of reality. Your statement also implies that PLANNED PLAYING BUDGETS HAVE BEEN EXCEEDED--highly unlikely I think.
Don't confuse the poor soul! Affleck said we're in debt and he's never wrong!
Posted by: VoR, Watford on 7:31pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Looking forward to meeting Mrs Sage down at the moons......Myself and ozz 'll give her a good time, she must be a desperate after 25yrs, poor love!!
Looking forward to meeting Mrs Sage down at the moons......Myself and ozz 'll give her a good time, she must be a desperate after 25yrs, poor love!!
Posted by: Carbs, Watford on 7:39pm Mon 21 Apr 08
I can't believe it took us this long to get rid of Collins John and I also can't believe that Boothroyd thought he'd make an impact after his severe lack of fitness and poor form earlier in the season for Leicester.
When he took all his fitness tests at the club when we signed him he failed every single one and I believe our Physio told Boothroyd he was the most unfit player he'd ever seen and to send him back to Fulham.
Good riddance!
I can't believe it took us this long to get rid of Collins John and I also can't believe that Boothroyd thought he'd make an impact after his severe lack of fitness and poor form earlier in the season for Leicester.
When he took all his fitness tests at the club when we signed him he failed every single one and I believe our Physio told Boothroyd he was the most unfit player he'd ever seen and to send him back to Fulham.
Good riddance!
Posted by: wonderlander, wonderland on 7:45pm Mon 21 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Carbs[/bold] wrote:
I can\'t believe it took us this long to get rid of Collins John and I also can\'t believe that Boothroyd thought he\'d make an impact after his severe lack of fitness and poor form earlier in the season for Leicester.
When he took all his fitness tests at the club when we signed him he failed every single one and I believe our Physio told Boothroyd he was the most unfit player he\'d ever seen and to send him back to Fulham.
Good riddance![/quote] That cannot be correct - the physio would have been fired.
Carbs wrote:
I can\'t believe it took us this long to get rid of Collins John and I also can\'t believe that Boothroyd thought he\'d make an impact after his severe lack of fitness and poor form earlier in the season for Leicester.
When he took all his fitness tests at the club when we signed him he failed every single one and I believe our Physio told Boothroyd he was the most unfit player he\'d ever seen and to send him back to Fulham.
Good riddance!
That cannot be correct - the physio would have been fired.
Posted by: hornetchris61, garston on 7:52pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Dont forget Theo Robinson. after a season learning his trade and gaining 1st team experience at hereford, team him and DH together next season. Ainsworth on wing, Smith on the other, Williams back in midfield, passing football, then who knows!
Dont forget Theo Robinson. after a season learning his trade and gaining 1st team experience at hereford, team him and DH together next season. Ainsworth on wing, Smith on the other, Williams back in midfield, passing football, then who knows!
Posted by: Stan_Smith, herts on 8:08pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Just a thought id throw this into the argument- wouldnt have suprised me that the club got Collins John on board knowing full well it was a risk but it would just keep fans on board after the sale of MK and with the slight possibility of him coming good. If it didnt work out and once the MK talk has died down the club use the injury excuse and send him back .would not suprise me at all, but who knows!
Just a thought id throw this into the argument- wouldnt have suprised me that the club got Collins John on board knowing full well it was a risk but it would just keep fans on board after the sale of MK and with the slight possibility of him coming good. If it didnt work out and once the MK talk has died down the club use the injury excuse and send him back .would not suprise me at all, but who knows!
Posted by: Winston, watford on 8:16pm Mon 21 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Stan_Smith[/bold] wrote:
Just a thought id throw this into the argument- wouldnt have suprised me that the club got Collins John on board knowing full well it was a risk but it would just keep fans on board after the sale of MK and with the slight possibility of him coming good. If it didnt work out and once the MK talk has died down the club use the injury excuse and send him back .would not suprise me at all, but who knows![/quote] as I said all along there is/was another agenda with AB
Stan_Smith wrote:
Just a thought id throw this into the argument- wouldnt have suprised me that the club got Collins John on board knowing full well it was a risk but it would just keep fans on board after the sale of MK and with the slight possibility of him coming good. If it didnt work out and once the MK talk has died down the club use the injury excuse and send him back .would not suprise me at all, but who knows!
as I said all along there is/was another agenda with AB
Posted by: chris, the vic on 8:18pm Mon 21 Apr 08
does anyone from the teams medical staff care to comment.
Foster went back to Man U needed an op.
Williams takes a lot longer to come back than predicted.
Francis same applies.
Marlon injury
CJ borrowed and never fit.
Is this coincidence or yet another area of the club that needs sorting?
does anyone from the teams medical staff care to comment.
Foster went back to Man U needed an op.
Williams takes a lot longer to come back than predicted.
Francis same applies.
Marlon injury
CJ borrowed and never fit.
Is this coincidence or yet another area of the club that needs sorting?
Posted by: Stan_Smith, herts on 8:22pm Mon 21 Apr 08
I was just about to disagree with you chris but you can add Mart Poom and his back to the list!
I was just about to disagree with you chris but you can add Mart Poom and his back to the list!
Posted by: JohnBoy, Watford on 8:24pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Have it on good authority that CJ had a difference in leg lengths. This led to him suffering back problems. It appears that an orthotic didn't solve the problem.
These problems were discovered by our own staff.
Have it on good authority that CJ had a difference in leg lengths. This led to him suffering back problems. It appears that an orthotic didn't solve the problem.
These problems were discovered by our own staff.
Posted by: henry, oxhey on 8:29pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Theo is well thought of at Hereford according to an old friend who is a Bulls fan - however, Diagaragou fans MOM on Saturday !.
I thought Ashikodi was out of contract this summer?
Consider what has has happened to Campbell, Jerome, Sharp, Nugent this season - all looked good prospects but it shows how tough it is to recruit a 20 goal man.
Theo is well thought of at Hereford according to an old friend who is a Bulls fan - however, Diagaragou fans MOM on Saturday !.
I thought Ashikodi was out of contract this summer?
Consider what has has happened to Campbell, Jerome, Sharp, Nugent this season - all looked good prospects but it shows how tough it is to recruit a 20 goal man.
Posted by: Darren, Canada on 8:30pm Mon 21 Apr 08
It reminds me of a great quote from the old BBc TV show of the 1970's "It's a Knockout". Do you remember when Stuart Hall would say.."and their playing the Joker". Unbelievable.
It reminds me of a great quote from the old BBc TV show of the 1970's "It's a Knockout". Do you remember when Stuart Hall would say.."and their playing the Joker". Unbelievable.
Posted by: the apprentice, watford on 8:35pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Whilst I think that Aidy has until recently done a great job for Watford, this deal is the icing on the cake. If we do not get promoted this season, then we are facing some very difficult times unless we find new owners. Here are some financial facts, based on the interim accounts for the 6 months ended 31st December 2007.
1. We have net current liabilities of £11.1 million. This means that over the next 12 months we have £11.1 million owing more than we have owed.
2. Of this, £5.1m is a bank loan. A further £2.8m is trade creditors in excess of trade debtors - very probably amounts owed in transfer fees.
3. There is no money ringfenced for stadium development - it's been spent. And because we can no longer use the offices in at the back of the Rookery, we have to rent 11,000 sq ft of offices which I'm guessing cost in the region of £300k per annum.
4. Most of the season ticket cash will be spent before the end of the summer on our very high costs.
5. Likewise, the parachute payment of £11m will go very quickly on paying monthly overheads and paying off debt.
In short, if we don't get promoted, we are in big trouble. I don't know what plan B is, but it better be very good.
Whilst I think that Aidy has until recently done a great job for Watford, this deal is the icing on the cake. If we do not get promoted this season, then we are facing some very difficult times unless we find new owners. Here are some financial facts, based on the interim accounts for the 6 months ended 31st December 2007.
1. We have net current liabilities of £11.1 million. This means that over the next 12 months we have £11.1 million owing more than we have owed.
2. Of this, £5.1m is a bank loan. A further £2.8m is trade creditors in excess of trade debtors - very probably amounts owed in transfer fees.
3. There is no money ringfenced for stadium development - it's been spent. And because we can no longer use the offices in at the back of the Rookery, we have to rent 11,000 sq ft of offices which I'm guessing cost in the region of £300k per annum.
4. Most of the season ticket cash will be spent before the end of the summer on our very high costs.
5. Likewise, the parachute payment of £11m will go very quickly on paying monthly overheads and paying off debt.
In short, if we don't get promoted, we are in big trouble. I don't know what plan B is, but it better be very good.
Posted by: optimistic, london on 8:38pm Mon 21 Apr 08
biomechanics. Chickens coming home to roost. Why o why didnt we tell King he could move in the summer. We possess no X factor what so ever. I dont want to sack Boothroyd because I dont think we would find anyone better and he runs the whole club unlike anyone since Taylor but I have to make him and Simpson accountable for the King sale. Henderson is so much a lesser player without king. The goes for Spring.
biomechanics. Chickens coming home to roost. Why o why didnt we tell King he could move in the summer. We possess no X factor what so ever. I dont want to sack Boothroyd because I dont think we would find anyone better and he runs the whole club unlike anyone since Taylor but I have to make him and Simpson accountable for the King sale. Henderson is so much a lesser player without king. The goes for Spring.
Posted by: chris, hemel on 8:50pm Mon 21 Apr 08
JimJob and Lifer,
I understand your patriotism for this failing cause, as I've been a supporter of this club since 1974, a season ticket holder for almost all this time and a shareholder too.
I get no pleasure from critising the club or the manager, but frankly their actions mean its open season this year. You're both obviously in the happy clappers brigade with blind optimism for the clubs future. I bet you said the same when Vialli was appointed.
Unfortunately if you had half a brain between you both, you would realise that its cash that drives the business, and we (the club) have just wasted millions of pounds propping up a catalogue of failed crocks, who have added nothing to this club but cost. All on the Managers recommendation.
In addition, you brainwashed pair, your continual carping about the reporting of the WO and KA makes me cringe. Atleast the WO let you use this site to express your views which is more than WFC.
Anyone who thinks you'd get the truth out of WFC with Ashton's spin, Simpsons mistruths (remember the AGM with an Employees Benefit scheme that got exposed as a £1/2m payoff, rather than be shown in the Directors Emoluments)and Hoofroyds blabberings about automatic promotion et all, need to go and lie in a darkened room.
Your misguided trust is just bewildering. Get real both of you, even better get a life.
JimJob and Lifer,
I understand your patriotism for this failing cause, as I've been a supporter of this club since 1974, a season ticket holder for almost all this time and a shareholder too.
I get no pleasure from critising the club or the manager, but frankly their actions mean its open season this year. You're both obviously in the happy clappers brigade with blind optimism for the clubs future. I bet you said the same when Vialli was appointed.
Unfortunately if you had half a brain between you both, you would realise that its cash that drives the business, and we (the club) have just wasted millions of pounds propping up a catalogue of failed crocks, who have added nothing to this club but cost. All on the Managers recommendation.
In addition, you brainwashed pair, your continual carping about the reporting of the WO and KA makes me cringe. Atleast the WO let you use this site to express your views which is more than WFC.
Anyone who thinks you'd get the truth out of WFC with Ashton's spin, Simpsons mistruths (remember the AGM with an Employees Benefit scheme that got exposed as a £1/2m payoff, rather than be shown in the Directors Emoluments)and Hoofroyds blabberings about automatic promotion et all, need to go and lie in a darkened room.
Your misguided trust is just bewildering. Get real both of you, even better get a life.
Posted by: VoR, Watford on 8:52pm Mon 21 Apr 08
This is totally not right, what's going on with our club?
It makes me feel that getting into the premiership last season hasn't done us any good, whereas it should have set us up nicely.
I'm gutted reading these posts as it really hammers home a few truths which I wasn't aware off.
On the advise of holly...I'll be the 1st down the newsagents to pick up the Obbo, I do hope there is some kind of explanations, I think we all deserve it!!
Soz sage, no offence intended, hope u have a good time Weds, just hope i'm not thinking about it at the time:-)
This is totally not right, what's going on with our club?
It makes me feel that getting into the premiership last season hasn't done us any good, whereas it should have set us up nicely.
I'm gutted reading these posts as it really hammers home a few truths which I wasn't aware off.
On the advise of holly...I'll be the 1st down the newsagents to pick up the Obbo, I do hope there is some kind of explanations, I think we all deserve it!!
Soz sage, no offence intended, hope u have a good time Weds, just hope i'm not thinking about it at the time:-)
Posted by: Stan_Smith, herts on 8:54pm Mon 21 Apr 08
The WO deserves credit for having the balls to say it how it is.
on a side note the CJ news still not on the main site yet.
The WO deserves credit for having the balls to say it how it is.
on a side note the CJ news still not on the main site yet.
Posted by: Sage Lazarus on 9:03pm Mon 21 Apr 08
[quote][bold]chris[/bold] wrote:
JimJob and Lifer, I understand your patriotism for this failing cause, as I've been a supporter of this club since 1974, a season ticket holder for almost all this time and a shareholder too. I get no pleasure from critising the club or the manager, but frankly their actions mean its open season this year. You're both obviously in the happy clappers brigade with blind optimism for the clubs future. I bet you said the same when Vialli was appointed. Unfortunately if you had half a brain between you both, you would realise that its cash that drives the business, and we (the club) have just wasted millions of pounds propping up a catalogue of failed crocks, who have added nothing to this club but cost. All on the Managers recommendation. In addition, you brainwashed pair, your continual carping about the reporting of the WO and KA makes me cringe. Atleast the WO let you use this site to express your views which is more than WFC. Anyone who thinks you'd get the truth out of WFC with Ashton's spin, Simpsons mistruths (remember the AGM with an Employees Benefit scheme that got exposed as a £1/2m payoff, rather than be shown in the Directors Emoluments)and Hoofroyds blabberings about automatic promotion et all, need to go and lie in a darkened room. Your misguided trust is just bewildering. Get real both of you, even better get a life. [/quote] it is cleaer that you do not have any grasp of business planning--I have a life & a brain and a BUSINESS.
chris wrote:
JimJob and Lifer, I understand your patriotism for this failing cause, as I've been a supporter of this club since 1974, a season ticket holder for almost all this time and a shareholder too. I get no pleasure from critising the club or the manager, but frankly their actions mean its open season this year. You're both obviously in the happy clappers brigade with blind optimism for the clubs future. I bet you said the same when Vialli was appointed. Unfortunately if you had half a brain between you both, you would realise that its cash that drives the business, and we (the club) have just wasted millions of pounds propping up a catalogue of failed crocks, who have added nothing to this club but cost. All on the Managers recommendation. In addition, you brainwashed pair, your continual carping about the reporting of the WO and KA makes me cringe. Atleast the WO let you use this site to express your views which is more than WFC. Anyone who thinks you'd get the truth out of WFC with Ashton's spin, Simpsons mistruths (remember the AGM with an Employees Benefit scheme that got exposed as a £1/2m payoff, rather than be shown in the Directors Emoluments)and Hoofroyds blabberings about automatic promotion et all, need to go and lie in a darkened room. Your misguided trust is just bewildering. Get real both of you, even better get a life.
it is cleaer that you do not have any grasp of business planning--I have a life & a brain and a BUSINESS.
Posted by: Sage Lazarus on 9:04pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Vor thankyou apology accepted.
Vor thankyou apology accepted.
Posted by: Sage Lazarus on 9:07pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Chris-- final point ( as simply as I can for you) PATRIOTISM?
This is not to do with England or any other COUNTRY--although when i read your rubbish a word like that does come to mind!
Chris-- final point ( as simply as I can for you) PATRIOTISM?
This is not to do with England or any other COUNTRY--although when i read your rubbish a word like that does come to mind!
Posted by: zip, colins world on 9:14pm Mon 21 Apr 08
This is the latest in a long line of embarrassments for the club.
C'mon Boofers, spin yourself out of this one.
I'm sorry clappers but he has really been badly exposed as a total fraud and amateur this season.
I'm predicting a dour draw this saturday followed by defeat to Blackpool....and a 7th place finish.
This is resembling the Vialli fiasco more and more by the day...we could be in real trouble.
Oh sage, i think people have had enough of your arrogance and rudeness...you don't lie it when it comes your way you nonce so don't give it out.
This is the latest in a long line of embarrassments for the club.
C'mon Boofers, spin yourself out of this one.
I'm sorry clappers but he has really been badly exposed as a total fraud and amateur this season.
I'm predicting a dour draw this saturday followed by defeat to Blackpool....and a 7th place finish.
This is resembling the Vialli fiasco more and more by the day...we could be in real trouble.
Oh sage, i think people have had enough of your arrogance and rudeness...you don't lie it when it comes your way you nonce so don't give it out.
Posted by: Stan_Smith, herts on 9:18pm Mon 21 Apr 08
I dont think chris was referring to you in the first place sage was he?
I dont think chris was referring to you in the first place sage was he?
Posted by: rosh99, hereford on 9:21pm Mon 21 Apr 08
[quote][bold]hornetchris61[/bold] wrote:
Dont forget Theo Robinson. after a season learning his trade and gaining 1st team experience at hereford, team him and DH together next season. Ainsworth on wing, Smith on the other, Williams back in midfield, passing football, then who knows![/quote] Evening All,
I've been in Hereford for a couple of years now and the Watford boys here are indeed well thought of. What The Bulls fans cannot understand is how we've loaned out a couple of reasonable players yet paid a ridiculous amount of money for some muppets who can't play. We've also got an excellent player in Ainsworth that AB's seems reluctant to play.
I can't believe how bad this season's turned out.
hornetchris61 wrote:
Dont forget Theo Robinson. after a season learning his trade and gaining 1st team experience at hereford, team him and DH together next season. Ainsworth on wing, Smith on the other, Williams back in midfield, passing football, then who knows!
Evening All,
I've been in Hereford for a couple of years now and the Watford boys here are indeed well thought of. What The Bulls fans cannot understand is how we've loaned out a couple of reasonable players yet paid a ridiculous amount of money for some muppets who can't play. We've also got an excellent player in Ainsworth that AB's seems reluctant to play.
I can't believe how bad this season's turned out.
Posted by: chris, hemel on 9:27pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Sage,
Tis a pity you don't make better use of all three.
You're arrogance and rudeness show you up to be a pathetic loner with no real life. As for your business, just how are sales of the big issue this month?
Sage,
Tis a pity you don't make better use of all three.
You're arrogance and rudeness show you up to be a pathetic loner with no real life. As for your business, just how are sales of the big issue this month?
Posted by: Sage Lazarus on 9:28pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Stan-it is not about me or anyone but we know have the craop football & the totally stupid C John situation being rolled into :
* corruption
* medical conspiracies
* anti Simpson
* anti=Ashcroft
* anti ashton
* anti everything
and pepole stating support as blind loyalty and even more bizzarely--PATRIOTIS
M!
it is all pointless--no one did anything but knock KB for being too old & a yes man & now he has left he has become the messiah.
It is all pathetic--Aidy has lost the plot big style but people like chris simply cannot make a reasoned point they bring half truths & confusion into it all by not being prepared to make a simple case.
Yes I over react as well but it is the sheer negsativity thsat gets me.
Perspective not PATRIOTISM.
An excellent chairman (who must have had enough by now) a manager who is losing it -terrible football and dreadful selling & buying BUT--still better off than 19 other clubs in this division.
Stan-it is not about me or anyone but we know have the craop football & the totally stupid C John situation being rolled into :
* corruption
* medical conspiracies
* anti Simpson
* anti=Ashcroft
* anti ashton
* anti everything
and pepole stating support as blind loyalty and even more bizzarely--PATRIOTIS
M!
it is all pointless--no one did anything but knock KB for being too old & a yes man & now he has left he has become the messiah.
It is all pathetic--Aidy has lost the plot big style but people like chris simply cannot make a reasoned point they bring half truths & confusion into it all by not being prepared to make a simple case.
Yes I over react as well but it is the sheer negsativity thsat gets me.
Perspective not PATRIOTISM.
An excellent chairman (who must have had enough by now) a manager who is losing it -terrible football and dreadful selling & buying BUT--still better off than 19 other clubs in this division.
Posted by: Sage Lazarus on 9:30pm Mon 21 Apr 08
[quote][bold]chris[/bold] wrote:
Sage, Tis a pity you don't make better use of all three. You're arrogance and rudeness show you up to be a pathetic loner with no real life. As for your business, just how are sales of the big issue this month?[/quote] No idea but biggest problem I have is fitting my new merc on my drive as the old one is not collected until the weekend!
chris wrote:
Sage, Tis a pity you don't make better use of all three. You're arrogance and rudeness show you up to be a pathetic loner with no real life. As for your business, just how are sales of the big issue this month?
No idea but biggest problem I have is fitting my new merc on my drive as the old one is not collected until the weekend!
Posted by: GaryQE2, London on 9:31pm Mon 21 Apr 08
CJ was a measured risk that didnt come off. NE is a bigger risk [financially] that still 'might' come off. It will be interesting to see if AB gives him a chance in the next two critical games.
It may neeed another more experienced Manager to unlock his potential [we certainly haven't seen what he is capable of] and this could apply to Tamas too. We'll see,
CJ was a measured risk that didnt come off. NE is a bigger risk that still 'might' come off. It will be interesting to see if AB gives him a chance in the next two critical games.
It may neeed another more experienced Manager to unlock his potential and this could apply to Tamas too. We'll see,
Posted by: ozzy, kingcross on 9:41pm Mon 21 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Sage Lazarus[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]chris[/bold] wrote:
Sage, Tis a pity you don't make better use of all three. You're arrogance and rudeness show you up to be a pathetic loner with no real life. As for your business, just how are sales of the big issue this month?[/quote] No idea but biggest problem I have is fitting my new merc on my drive as the old one is not collected until the weekend![/quote] yeh sage an onoin boy yu be ok fiting merc on ure drive cos matchbox cars ar so small, definitoin of small== see sage an onoin boy. not wanna now ure life story, write a book
Sage Lazarus wrote:
chris wrote:
Sage, Tis a pity you don't make better use of all three. You're arrogance and rudeness show you up to be a pathetic loner with no real life. As for your business, just how are sales of the big issue this month?
No idea but biggest problem I have is fitting my new merc on my drive as the old one is not collected until the weekend!
yeh sage an onoin boy yu be ok fiting merc on ure drive cos matchbox cars ar so small, definitoin of small== see sage an onoin boy. not wanna now ure life story, write a book
Posted by: Hexham Hornet, Hexham on 9:45pm Mon 21 Apr 08
JimBob, do you read everything that is written by posters. Yes a lot have called for Aidy's head. I haven't, although I have said if he does go then we should look at John Ward. I think he should be made to have an experienced No 2, as did OxheyPaul, who would also have a say in transfers. I also think Aidy should be told that negotiation of transfer fees will be handed by the board, who may consult him (for both inward and outbound players) once it has been decided that a player should be bought or sold - which should be dscussed by Aidy and his number 2 as well as the board.
Happy Anniversary Sage. 25 years, you are only a part-timer then son. I was a child groom and have done 28 years. There are a lot of tolerant women around - luckily mine is also a Watford fan but she is as pi**ed off as we are and so it is difficult to drag her to games. Sometimes it helps to take my club and drag her by the hair but it is not pleasant seeing a grown woman kicking and screaming whilst hugging every lampost between the Roslyn Road car park and Vicarage Road. Things we do for love, eh....
JimBob, do you read everything that is written by posters. Yes a lot have called for Aidy's head. I haven't, although I have said if he does go then we should look at John Ward. I think he should be made to have an experienced No 2, as did OxheyPaul, who would also have a say in transfers. I also think Aidy should be told that negotiation of transfer fees will be handed by the board, who may consult him (for both inward and outbound players) once it has been decided that a player should be bought or sold - which should be dscussed by Aidy and his number 2 as well as the board.
Happy Anniversary Sage. 25 years, you are only a part-timer then son. I was a child groom and have done 28 years. There are a lot of tolerant women around - luckily mine is also a Watford fan but she is as pi**ed off as we are and so it is difficult to drag her to games. Sometimes it helps to take my club and drag her by the hair but it is not pleasant seeing a grown woman kicking and screaming whilst hugging every lampost between the Roslyn Road car park and Vicarage Road. Things we do for love, eh....
Posted by: ozzy, kingcross on 9:48pm Mon 21 Apr 08
had a meting today, LB== not makin target, DS==tries to much, VD==not now about business plans, last post today as i ned to go see a client, prawn lobster all round.
had a meting today, LB== not makin target, DS==tries to much, VD==not now about business plans, last post today as i ned to go see a client, prawn lobster all round.
Posted by: VoR, Watford on 9:51pm Mon 21 Apr 08
U alright ozz?
U kinda making sense....just!
U alright ozz?
U kinda making sense....just!
Posted by: ozzy, kingcross on 10:01pm Mon 21 Apr 08
sage boy save ure breth yu need it to blow ur girlfriend up, hehehehe
sage boy save ure breth yu need it to blow ur girlfriend up, hehehehe
Posted by: Mike, Watford on 10:27pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Hold on. Do we really want to sack Aidy? Isn't this a knee jerk reaction? Results in the second half of the season have been awful and performances for most of the season have been very poor, but we are still in a play off position (we've been in the top six all season).
We all agree that things went downhill when Johnson and King left. Aidy doesn't know who to play with Hendo (because they are all crap and, yes, they are all his signings). But Aidy hasn't become a bad manager overnight. He has though been signing too many crap players - even in our promotion season he did this).
We've got some decent players in Eustace, Bromby, Sadler, Smith, Hendo, McAnuff and DeMerit, but will probably lose Shittu. We need to re-group, buy a couple of proven stikers, another midfielder and mount a challenge next season.
Let's back Aidy to get us back on track. He did it only two years ago!
Hold on. Do we really want to sack Aidy? Isn't this a knee jerk reaction? Results in the second half of the season have been awful and performances for most of the season have been very poor, but we are still in a play off position (we've been in the top six all season).
We all agree that things went downhill when Johnson and King left. Aidy doesn't know who to play with Hendo (because they are all crap and, yes, they are all his signings). But Aidy hasn't become a bad manager overnight. He has though been signing too many crap players - even in our promotion season he did this).
We've got some decent players in Eustace, Bromby, Sadler, Smith, Hendo, McAnuff and DeMerit, but will probably lose Shittu. We need to re-group, buy a couple of proven stikers, another midfielder and mount a challenge next season.
Let's back Aidy to get us back on track. He did it only two years ago!
Posted by: paul jones, the grove on 10:28pm Mon 21 Apr 08
WHAT A HAPPY SHIP W.F.C ISNT
scuffles between home fans in the rookery,people leaving early and massive conflict on this forum
as aidrian would like us all to believe all you have to do is shout "WHO ARE WE,WATFORD!!!" three times and like abra cadabra Watford will win the Championship!
WHAT A HAPPY SHIP W.F.C ISNT
scuffles between home fans in the rookery,people leaving early and massive conflict on this forum
as aidrian would like us all to believe all you have to do is shout "WHO ARE WE,WATFORD!!!" three times and like abra cadabra Watford will win the Championship!
Posted by: ozzy, kingcross on 10:35pm Mon 21 Apr 08
[quote][bold]paul jones[/bold] wrote:
WHAT A HAPPY SHIP W.F.C ISNT
scuffles between home fans in the rookery,people leaving early and massive conflict on this forum
as aidrian would like us all to believe all you have to do is shout "WHO ARE WE,WATFORD!!!" three times and like abra cadabra Watford will win the Championship![/quote] yeh ok dorothy, go folow the yellow brick road. yu can be onoin boy friend yu get on with him
paul jones wrote:
WHAT A HAPPY SHIP W.F.C ISNT
scuffles between home fans in the rookery,people leaving early and massive conflict on this forum
as aidrian would like us all to believe all you have to do is shout "WHO ARE WE,WATFORD!!!" three times and like abra cadabra Watford will win the Championship!
yeh ok dorothy, go folow the yellow brick road. yu can be onoin boy friend yu get on with him
Posted by: Mark, Watford on 10:54pm Mon 21 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Mike[/bold] wrote:
Hold on. Do we really want to sack Aidy? Isn't this a knee jerk reaction? Results in the second half of the season have been awful and performances for most of the season have been very poor, but we are still in a play off position (we've been in the top six all season). We all agree that things went downhill when Johnson and King left. Aidy doesn't know who to play with Hendo (because they are all crap and, yes, they are all his signings). But Aidy hasn't become a bad manager overnight. He has though been signing too many crap players - even in our promotion season he did this). We've got some decent players in Eustace, Bromby, Sadler, Smith, Hendo, McAnuff and DeMerit, but will probably lose Shittu. We need to re-group, buy a couple of proven stikers, another midfielder and mount a challenge next season. Let's back Aidy to get us back on track. He did it only two years ago! [/quote] Ofcourse we have some decent FOOTBALLERS but they don't show it or aren't allowed to like the Youth team are who can poss it well.
Mike wrote:
Hold on. Do we really want to sack Aidy? Isn't this a knee jerk reaction? Results in the second half of the season have been awful and performances for most of the season have been very poor, but we are still in a play off position (we've been in the top six all season). We all agree that things went downhill when Johnson and King left. Aidy doesn't know who to play with Hendo (because they are all crap and, yes, they are all his signings). But Aidy hasn't become a bad manager overnight. He has though been signing too many crap players - even in our promotion season he did this). We've got some decent players in Eustace, Bromby, Sadler, Smith, Hendo, McAnuff and DeMerit, but will probably lose Shittu. We need to re-group, buy a couple of proven stikers, another midfielder and mount a challenge next season. Let's back Aidy to get us back on track. He did it only two years ago!
Ofcourse we have some decent FOOTBALLERS but they don't show it or aren't allowed to like the Youth team are who can poss it well.
Posted by: mattymashup, letchworth on 5:47am Tue 22 Apr 08
please people can we stop the personal attacks on eachother. i can understand everyones frustrations boiling over (god knows mine are) but if this continues this forum will be shut down by the WO. it is a great source of information on these forums, a lot of you guys can explain the technical babble i dont understand when the club talks about the financial side of things, but attacking eachother on here is just cowardly, swap emails and have it out with one another after the scunthorpe game.
the second half of this season has been awful, i am embarrased to go into work on the mondays and people laughing at our club gets me down big time. we need the playoffs so bad, but even if we get there do we have the skill and sharpness up front to beat palace, stoke, bristol city or anyone else? god knows.
from the sounds of some earlier posts we need this promotion bad or the club will be in serious financial trouble, this worries me a lot as i thought we were out of the nightmare that was the itv digital collapse, seems like we could go back to square one and have to sell all our players again. i hate seeing former watford players in the premiership, if we still had these lads we could well be a top 10 premiership club. but i doubt if we can even get promotion playing our style, i say switch to 4-3-3 and attack this run in all the way, we aint got anything to lose, we have already lost face and money, our fans are at eachothers throats, and aidys jobs on the line.
can we all please try and support the team and stop with the abusive posts on here, this sites way better than the official site which doesn`t ever report anything worthwhile.
please people can we stop the personal attacks on eachother. i can understand everyones frustrations boiling over (god knows mine are) but if this continues this forum will be shut down by the WO. it is a great source of information on these forums, a lot of you guys can explain the technical babble i dont understand when the club talks about the financial side of things, but attacking eachother on here is just cowardly, swap emails and have it out with one another after the scunthorpe game.
the second half of this season has been awful, i am embarrased to go into work on the mondays and people laughing at our club gets me down big time. we need the playoffs so bad, but even if we get there do we have the skill and sharpness up front to beat palace, stoke, bristol city or anyone else? god knows.
from the sounds of some earlier posts we need this promotion bad or the club will be in serious financial trouble, this worries me a lot as i thought we were out of the nightmare that was the itv digital collapse, seems like we could go back to square one and have to sell all our players again. i hate seeing former watford players in the premiership, if we still had these lads we could well be a top 10 premiership club. but i doubt if we can even get promotion playing our style, i say switch to 4-3-3 and attack this run in all the way, we aint got anything to lose, we have already lost face and money, our fans are at eachothers throats, and aidys jobs on the line.
can we all please try and support the team and stop with the abusive posts on here, this sites way better than the official site which doesn`t ever report anything worthwhile.
Posted by: Drinker on 8:15am Tue 22 Apr 08
Matt a sensible plea, but when you have many people,esp Colin or whatever he is calling himself this week,WANTING bad news and others mis -representing or misunderstanding the money side and then conspiracy theorists such as Winston, claiming that Boothroyd has a hidden agenda and deliberately stops us getting promotion, it may be a good idea to shut it all down.
I find it annoying that the manager has deluded himself ever since promotion and is still going in the wrong direction.
If he left I would not be unhappy but financially and fairly I think we should not sack him.
I have seen the value of my original share holding (only £500 but I was at Uni at the time) collapse but I understand why and cannot believe the attacks on Graham Simpson,without whom the club would certainly have had to shut down the academy--bad enough to lose Young and Bouazza but to have done it without the c £12m would have been much worse.
When we were top Colin and some others still made nasty attacks on everything, so to get even nastier now is predictable.
I really do not recall much support for Keith Burkinshaw whilst he was here but without looking it up, were things significantly better?
I want to be able to discuss tactics(dreadful) performance ((nervous) and selection ( crazy) and maybe even signings (***********!)
without the usual suspects using it as an excuse to claim that we are run by an evil empire interested
money motivated ,when the chairman and otheres have clearly not made money in real terms.
I work in banking and am reasonably aware of the very high risks involved in trying to make money from speculative ventures such as football. If I was Simpson I would sell up rather than put up with these attacks.
Of course when he does the haters will denounce the profit he makes,even though he could make far more if he did not care who buys our club.
The manager has screwed up and having backed him against the Russos ( what choice did the chairman have really?) I bet no one is more frustrated than him.
Let us hope we can get through the playoffs,but either way let us hope for an end to the "financial meltdown " stuff.
It is highly unlikely that Simpson would take such risks,which is why he alludes to "plan B". It is frankly impossible that Lord Ashcroft and his nominee would ever sanction such a situation.
Matt a sensible plea, but when you have many people,esp Colin or whatever he is calling himself this week,WANTING bad news and others mis -representing or misunderstanding the money side and then conspiracy theorists such as Winston, claiming that Boothroyd has a hidden agenda and deliberately stops us getting promotion, it may be a good idea to shut it all down.
I find it annoying that the manager has deluded himself ever since promotion and is still going in the wrong direction.
If he left I would not be unhappy but financially and fairly I think we should not sack him.
I have seen the value of my original share holding (only £500 but I was at Uni at the time) collapse but I understand why and cannot believe the attacks on Graham Simpson,without whom the club would certainly have had to shut down the academy--bad enough to lose Young and Bouazza but to have done it without the c £12m would have been much worse.
When we were top Colin and some others still made nasty attacks on everything, so to get even nastier now is predictable.
I really do not recall much support for Keith Burkinshaw whilst he was here but without looking it up, were things significantly better?
I want to be able to discuss tactics(dreadful) performance ((nervous) and selection ( crazy) and maybe even signings (***********!)
without the usual suspects using it as an excuse to claim that we are run by an evil empire interested
money motivated ,when the chairman and otheres have clearly not made money in real terms.
I work in banking and am reasonably aware of the very high risks involved in trying to make money from speculative ventures such as football. If I was Simpson I would sell up rather than put up with these attacks.
Of course when he does the haters will denounce the profit he makes,even though he could make far more if he did not care who buys our club.
The manager has screwed up and having backed him against the Russos ( what choice did the chairman have really?) I bet no one is more frustrated than him.
Let us hope we can get through the playoffs,but either way let us hope for an end to the "financial meltdown " stuff.
It is highly unlikely that Simpson would take such risks,which is why he alludes to "plan B". It is frankly impossible that Lord Ashcroft and his nominee would ever sanction such a situation.
Posted by: andy, oxhey on 9:33am Tue 22 Apr 08
It would cost too much to sack Boothroyd, but the board could bring in a strong number 2 - someone with a record as a coach - perhaps a George Graham type, who had excellent reputation in establishing a method of play.
On Strikers - frankly it is the way they are coached, set up and told how to play as much as their ability. Gillingham fans in the office, thought Henderson was no good for Championship level - 'All he does is run and jump - no skill'. On the other hand Hoskins came with a good reputation and Kabba played a significant part in getting Sheff Utd promotion. Personally I think with different expectations Priskin and Hoskins could be a powerful force at Campionship level - but you have to set up the team to play to your forwarsds strengths. When Boothroyds teams were successful two seasons ago the strikers had great service from Ashley Young. On Ellington - I think he looks unfit and seems to have lost condition compatred to the player Wigan had. If Ellington, Kabba, Priskin and Hoskins left - Boothroyd would only replace with very fast hard runners up front - It is not the strikers that need changiong but they way they are expected to play.
I have said before - we are now in a 5 match competition - 2 matches to establish a set team and a method of play. If we get that Rythem we have a 2 leg match against teams we can beat - Bristol city, Crystal Palace and even Hull can be beaten by us over two legs - As the home match against Stoke showed a team focussed and oncentrating can stop the opposition scoring. IF we get through to the final - as WBa/Derby last year showed it will be the team on the day that takes the chances. Now is the time to set a plan and stick to it - It can happen - but distractions and dithering is the potential killer of our season not the failure to sign strikers who can do a job in the championship.
It would cost too much to sack Boothroyd, but the board could bring in a strong number 2 - someone with a record as a coach - perhaps a George Graham type, who had excellent reputation in establishing a method of play.
On Strikers - frankly it is the way they are coached, set up and told how to play as much as their ability. Gillingham fans in the office, thought Henderson was no good for Championship level - 'All he does is run and jump - no skill'. On the other hand Hoskins came with a good reputation and Kabba played a significant part in getting Sheff Utd promotion. Personally I think with different expectations Priskin and Hoskins could be a powerful force at Campionship level - but you have to set up the team to play to your forwarsds strengths. When Boothroyds teams were successful two seasons ago the strikers had great service from Ashley Young. On Ellington - I think he looks unfit and seems to have lost condition compatred to the player Wigan had. If Ellington, Kabba, Priskin and Hoskins left - Boothroyd would only replace with very fast hard runners up front - It is not the strikers that need changiong but they way they are expected to play.
I have said before - we are now in a 5 match competition - 2 matches to establish a set team and a method of play. If we get that Rythem we have a 2 leg match against teams we can beat - Bristol city, Crystal Palace and even Hull can be beaten by us over two legs - As the home match against Stoke showed a team focussed and oncentrating can stop the opposition scoring. IF we get through to the final - as WBa/Derby last year showed it will be the team on the day that takes the chances. Now is the time to set a plan and stick to it - It can happen - but distractions and dithering is the potential killer of our season not the failure to sign strikers who can do a job in the championship.
Posted by: Hexham Hornet, Hexham on 9:54am Tue 22 Apr 08
Drinker, some sensible comments there. Like you I have a much diminished small shareholding in the club, but I did not invest to make money -that would be impossible when you invest in a small club - but to show my support. I don't expect a dividend every year nor do I assume that my opinion will be considered as my shareholding is almost insignificant compared to Simpson and Ashcroft and the Russos. Aidy has the potentia to become a very good manager, but he needs to look back at this season and know where his mistakes were, both on the field and off it. Simpson needs to let Aidy know what he must do during the summer and throughout next season, and remind him who is boss. Ashcroft should get more involved, and see if he can make his shareholding have some sway. I would like to see the board grow just a little, so that there is actually some debate and guidance from the top and I think that somebody who understands football on the pitch should be brought on to the board so that they can have a greater understanding of where we should be going. We have great plans for the stadium, a wonderful academy, people who understand the finances but no board member has a clue about the sport itself. It is good that GS is a long standing Watford fan but he needs more than that. The reason why we were successful for most of Elton's reign was that he had football people involved and he had a manager who respected the advice he was given. His biggest mistake was getting Bassett to replace GT, because he thought that would keep things consistent, but what he did not take into account was that GT is intelligent and Bassett isn't. GT also left at a sensible time, as he had taken us as far as he could and he was left with a team that was getting on and on the verge of breaking up due to old age or time to move on to further a career.
If Simpson sells and makes a huge profit then good luck to him. He has put a lot into the club, saved it from administration, taken it back up to the top flight for a season and begun the development to bring it up to date. He deserves to earn something from that. The majority of the people knocking him would not invest in the club the way he has, even if they could afford to - in fact most of them probably haven't invested like you and I have. They pay for their tickets and feel that this as big a commitment as GS has made and they demand a return. If they don't like it they should go to a different club. It's a bit like people saying how dreadful certain TV programmes are but still watch them whenever they are on instead of switching off and doing something more pleasurable.
In the next 6 weeks we will know our club's fate for next season and GS and Aidy will have to start seriously planning for it. There needs to be some trimming down of players that will never make the first team and some of the excesses in the backroom staff, whether we go up or not and also a sensible poicy about transfers in and out. If GS and Aidy do move on lets hope their replacements are in place quickly so that we do not waste the summer!! Nobody is irreplaceable and there is always somebody ready to fill in at the top, lets hope that whoever is at the top of the club is the right person and has the ability to carry on the drive forwards and upwards.
Drinker, some sensible comments there. Like you I have a much diminished small shareholding in the club, but I did not invest to make money -that would be impossible when you invest in a small club - but to show my support. I don't expect a dividend every year nor do I assume that my opinion will be considered as my shareholding is almost insignificant compared to Simpson and Ashcroft and the Russos. Aidy has the potentia to become a very good manager, but he needs to look back at this season and know where his mistakes were, both on the field and off it. Simpson needs to let Aidy know what he must do during the summer and throughout next season, and remind him who is boss. Ashcroft should get more involved, and see if he can make his shareholding have some sway. I would like to see the board grow just a little, so that there is actually some debate and guidance from the top and I think that somebody who understands football on the pitch should be brought on to the board so that they can have a greater understanding of where we should be going. We have great plans for the stadium, a wonderful academy, people who understand the finances but no board member has a clue about the sport itself. It is good that GS is a long standing Watford fan but he needs more than that. The reason why we were successful for most of Elton's reign was that he had football people involved and he had a manager who respected the advice he was given. His biggest mistake was getting Bassett to replace GT, because he thought that would keep things consistent, but what he did not take into account was that GT is intelligent and Bassett isn't. GT also left at a sensible time, as he had taken us as far as he could and he was left with a team that was getting on and on the verge of breaking up due to old age or time to move on to further a career.
If Simpson sells and makes a huge profit then good luck to him. He has put a lot into the club, saved it from administration, taken it back up to the top flight for a season and begun the development to bring it up to date. He deserves to earn something from that. The majority of the people knocking him would not invest in the club the way he has, even if they could afford to - in fact most of them probably haven't invested like you and I have. They pay for their tickets and feel that this as big a commitment as GS has made and they demand a return. If they don't like it they should go to a different club. It's a bit like people saying how dreadful certain TV programmes are but still watch them whenever they are on instead of switching off and doing something more pleasurable.
In the next 6 weeks we will know our club's fate for next season and GS and Aidy will have to start seriously planning for it. There needs to be some trimming down of players that will never make the first team and some of the excesses in the backroom staff, whether we go up or not and also a sensible poicy about transfers in and out. If GS and Aidy do move on lets hope their replacements are in place quickly so that we do not waste the summer!! Nobody is irreplaceable and there is always somebody ready to fill in at the top, lets hope that whoever is at the top of the club is the right person and has the ability to carry on the drive forwards and upwards.
Posted by: gc on 11:17am Tue 22 Apr 08
Time and time again I hear some of you saying get a number 2 in to help Aidy. RUBBISH!
Gone are the days he listen to anyone. He has sacked any player or member of coaching staff who have not done it 100% his way and yet some of you lot think he is going to roll over and take orders/listen to a No.2.
If a No.2 came in and as a result we started playing football and results started picking up then you would have to say why not have the No.2 as the MANAGER!
By saying you want a No.2 means you don't trust in Aidy to make the right decisions- well that means he has to go.
There can only be one managerial team leader at a club.
Time and time again I hear some of you saying get a number 2 in to help Aidy. RUBBISH!
Gone are the days he listen to anyone. He has sacked any player or member of coaching staff who have not done it 100% his way and yet some of you lot think he is going to roll over and take orders/listen to a No.2.
If a No.2 came in and as a result we started playing football and results started picking up then you would have to say why not have the No.2 as the MANAGER!
By saying you want a No.2 means you don't trust in Aidy to make the right decisions- well that means he has to go.
There can only be one managerial team leader at a club.
Posted by: Bigbanker13, London on 11:19am Tue 22 Apr 08
While all of us who post our views clearly have differing thoughts, but we all care passionately about the club. It is a special place, and most of us have been around longer than the manager, Directors, and Chairman, it is our club in our community. The frustration comes from being so close to promotion and then losing out because of stupid self-inflicted errors. AB does have the potential to be a great manager, but he has probably run his course here, time to move on. All great mangers are arrogant, the older ones have learnt through experience, and all have bought absolutely crap players. AB's problem is that he has lost creditability with everyone.
Let's clear out the dross who are content to pick up an over inflated wage, for little effort and no passion, and pick players who want to play and win.
While all of us who post our views clearly have differing thoughts, but we all care passionately about the club. It is a special place, and most of us have been around longer than the manager, Directors, and Chairman, it is our club in our community. The frustration comes from being so close to promotion and then losing out because of stupid self-inflicted errors. AB does have the potential to be a great manager, but he has probably run his course here, time to move on. All great mangers are arrogant, the older ones have learnt through experience, and all have bought absolutely crap players. AB's problem is that he has lost creditability with everyone.
Let's clear out the dross who are content to pick up an over inflated wage, for little effort and no passion, and pick players who want to play and win.
Posted by: gc on 11:28am Tue 22 Apr 08
Hexham Hornet:
You tell fans if they don't like it then go to another club! Use the example of watching a Tv programme you don't like when you could just turn over.
I really wonder if you are forgetting what being a fan means?
For me being a fan is not a choice. Over 30 years of being a fan of a club and hopefully at least another 30 years more
IMO Aidy will be at Leeds next season, pledging his love for them and saying how they are going to thump us etc. I however will still be here!!! so telling me if I don't like it to go elsewhere is a complete lack of understanding of what the majority of fans feel.
Simpson is a fan and I respect that. He wants the best for WFC, I hope he can acheive it though
Hexham Hornet:
You tell fans if they don't like it then go to another club! Use the example of watching a Tv programme you don't like when you could just turn over.
I really wonder if you are forgetting what being a fan means?
For me being a fan is not a choice. Over 30 years of being a fan of a club and hopefully at least another 30 years more
IMO Aidy will be at Leeds next season, pledging his love for them and saying how they are going to thump us etc. I however will still be here!!! so telling me if I don't like it to go elsewhere is a complete lack of understanding of what the majority of fans feel.
Simpson is a fan and I respect that. He wants the best for WFC, I hope he can acheive it though
Posted by: Vicar Rage on 11:36am Tue 22 Apr 08
I see the club have just confirmed the Collins John story.
The WO beat them by half a day - but of course, the WO always print rumour and unsubstantiated rubbish, don't they . . .
I notice the club are saying Johnw ent back because he tore a muscle last week.
If he hadn't torn a muscle, were they just going to pay him to sit in the gym then?
I see the club have just confirmed the Collins John story.
The WO beat them by half a day - but of course, the WO always print rumour and unsubstantiated rubbish, don't they . . .
I notice the club are saying Johnw ent back because he tore a muscle last week.
If he hadn't torn a muscle, were they just going to pay him to sit in the gym then?
Posted by: Lifer on 11:37am Tue 22 Apr 08
Some very good grown up and balanced stuff from Matty,Drinker,hexham
,andy,bigbanker & Gc(in his own style)let us hope that balance prevails.
Let us also hope that we go up and if not that Boothroyd looks in the mirror for the source of the problems .
if he stays(likely) then I expect GS/MA,etc to take a far stronger line in relation to future signings.Whilst they cannot force the mabnager to sign or play people he does not want,they can block signings that they have doubts about,given his record.
Some very good grown up and balanced stuff from Matty,Drinker,hexham
,andy,bigbanker & Gc(in his own style)let us hope that balance prevails.
Let us also hope that we go up and if not that Boothroyd looks in the mirror for the source of the problems .
if he stays(likely) then I expect GS/MA,etc to take a far stronger line in relation to future signings.Whilst they cannot force the mabnager to sign or play people he does not want,they can block signings that they have doubts about,given his record.
